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Jezebel!

Data Over Dogma

August 11, 2025

Ooooh MAMA! For a story that's thousands of years old, we sure do hear a lot about Jezebel. Or do we? Pastors and Christian influencers like Mark Driscoll and Charlie Kirk love to invoke the idea of "Jezebel spirit" whenever they don't like what a woman is doing.

Speakers Dan McClellan, Dan Beecher

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Dan McClellan (0:46)

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Wow!

Dan Beecher (0:58)

Just throwing that out there, man. You're just chucking that bomb and then running away. Okay.

Dan McClellan (1:03)

It's what we do here. We show up, we muddy the waters, and we scamper off.

Hey, everybody. I'm Dan McClellan.

Dan Beecher (1:15)

And I'm Dan Beecher.

Dan McClellan (1:17)

And you're listening to the Data Over Dogma podcast, where we increase public access to the academic study of the Bible, and religion, and we combat the spread of that wacky misinformation about the same. How are things today, Dan?

Dan Beecher (1:32)

Wacky.

Things are very wacky. We're going to get into some wackiness.

Dan McClellan (1:37)

I feel like I'm like the morning talk radio guy.

Dan Beecher (1:42)

We need an air horn.

Dan McClellan (1:44)

Yeah. Yeah. Or the the the trusty boy is always good.

Dan Beecher (1:53)

A slide whistle. We need all the things we need. But we won't have them even though we are going to be talking about some clowns.

Dan McClellan (2:01)

Yes.

Dan Beecher (2:01)

Or at least in my in our estimation, we're bringing in a new a new segment category.

Dan McClellan (2:10)

Yes. We're calling it twisted scripture because we're not going to take it anymore because we're not going to take it.

Dan Beecher (2:19)

And we are going to go after some some guys who are very interested in weaponizing some scripture against a group. We're going to we're going to be talking about that Jezebel spirit.

Dan McClellan (2:34)

That's the one. Yeah.

Dan Beecher (2:36)

And then old timey Jezebel spirit, Jezebel spirit. And then we're going to go into, we're going to do a what's that? We're going to we're going to delve into some Sadducees, some Pharisees, some dirty knees. Look at these.

Dan McClellan (2:51)

Some dirty deeds and dirty knees. And yeah, and we're going to figure out the difference between these two groups.

Dan Beecher (3:00)

I think I just referenced a very racist thing from my childhood and didn't mean to. The dirty knees thing. So let's just pretend like that didn't happen, everybody. That just came out of my head.

Dan McClellan (3:12)

Okay.

Dan Beecher (3:13)

Do you remember? Never mind. We're not going to go into it. But if anyone was triggered by that, I'm going to I'm going to voluntarily apologize for that. It was just lurking in the background of my childhood and my brain. And we'll we'll we'll get out of that and we'll go on with the show. Plow valiantly forward with Twisted Scripture.

And this week's Twisted Scripture is the Jezebel Spirit. And the reason that we're calling it twisted is that the way, first of all, the phrase Jezebel Spirit does not appear in ye old Bible. It's nowhere in there.

So why do we have all of these preachers and also like white, you know, Christian nationalists talking about it? I brought it up because I saw a thing, I brought it up to you because I saw a thing on threads that was Charlie Kirk talking about how great it is that young men are going back to church and how but young women, women of the new, the young generation. Got to get rid of that Jezebel spirit. And I've heard this phrase many times. And I was like, you know what we got? We got to go after that. We got to we got to talk about it.

Dan McClellan (4:46)

Yeah, you see it quite a bit in.

Charlie Kirk has said it. Oh, I'm forgetting the the gentleman who Mars Hill. Was that the name of the Mark Driscoll Mark Driscoll? I've heard Mark Driscoll talk about it.

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