JD Vance's AI Speech, Techno-Optimists vs Doomers, Tariffs, AI Court Cases with Naval Ravikant

**Jason Calacanis** (0:00)
Great job, Naval, you rocked it.

**Naval Ravikant** (0:01)
Maybe I should have said this on air, but that was literally the most fun podcast I've ever recorded.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:06)
That's on air, cut that in.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:08)
Yeah, put it in the show, put it in the show.

**Naval Ravikant** (0:09)
I had my theory on why you were number one, but now I have the realization.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:13)
What's the actual reason? You know us for a long time.

**David Friedberg** (0:14)
Yeah, what was your theory? What's the reality?

**Naval Ravikant** (0:16)
My theory was that my problem with going on podcasts is usually the person I'm talking to is not that interesting. They're just asking the same questions and they're dialing it in and they're not that interested. It's not like we're having a peer level actual conversation. That's why I wanted to do AirChat and Clubhouse and things like that because you can actually have a conversation. I see. What you guys have very uniquely is four people, of whom at least three are intelligent. I'm kidding.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:43)
How could you say that Sacks isn't here? Sacks isn't even here and you say that in the world? That is so cold.

**Naval Ravikant** (0:50)
That's the best. Of whom at least three are intelligent and all of you get along and you can have an ongoing conversation. That's a very high hit rate. Normally, in a podcast, you only get one interesting person, and now you've got three, maybe four.
That to me was why all of them are successful. Who are you talking to? He's number four. We don't know. The children will remain mysterious forever. Of the four, the problem is if you get people together to talk, two is a good conversation, three possibly, four is the max. That's why the dinner table at a restaurant, four top. You don't do five or six because then it splits into multiple conversations. So you had four people who were capable of talking. That I thought was a secret, but there's another secret. The other secret is you guys are having fun. You're talking over each other, you're making fun of each other, you're actually having fun. So that's why I'm saying this is the most fun podcast I've ever been on. That's why you'll be successful.

**David Friedberg** (1:43)
Welcome back anytime of all. Thanks, Mark.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:45)
Welcome back. Absolutely.

**Naval Ravikant** (1:47)
Keep it fun, guys.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:49)
I did in three smarkas. I can't believe you'd say that about Sacks. He's not even here to defend himself.

**Naval Ravikant** (1:58)
Sorry, David.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:15)
All right, everybody. Welcome back to the number one podcast in the world. We're really excited today. Back again. You're sultan of science, David Friedberg. What do you got going on there, Friedberg? What's in the background? Everybody wants to know.

**David Friedberg** (2:31)
Namaste. I used to play a lot of a game called SimEarth on my Macintosh LC way back in the day.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:38)
That tracks.

**David Friedberg** (2:39)
Yeah.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:40)
That tracks. And of course, with us again, your chairman.

**David Friedberg** (2:44)
What games did you play growing up, Jay Cal? Actually, I'm kind of curious. Did you ever play video games?

**Jason Calacanis** (2:48)
Andrea, Allison, Susan. I mean, it was like a lot of cute girls. I was out dating girls. Friedberg.

**David Friedberg** (2:58)
Yeah.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:58)
I was not on my Apple tune playing civilization.

**David Friedberg** (3:02)
Let me find one of those pictures.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:04)
Well, don't get me in trouble, man.

**David Friedberg** (3:05)
Yeah.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:06)
80s were 80s were good to me in Brooklyn.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:08)
Rejection of the video game. Yes.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:12)
You have three lives. Rejected. Rejected. It's a numbers game, Chamath. As you well know, it is a numbers game.

**David Friedberg** (3:19)
Nick, go ahead. Pull up Rico Suave here. Oh, no.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:23)
What is this one?

**David Friedberg** (3:23)
Instead of playing video. Here I am.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:25)
No, that's in the 80s.

**David Friedberg** (3:26)
That's Fat Jay Cal.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:27)
That's Fat Jay Cal. Nick, help out your uncle.

**David Friedberg** (3:32)
Yeah, here he is out slaying.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:33)
Help out your uncle with the Vin Jay Cal.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:37)
You know what he was slaying in there? A snack.

**Naval Ravikant** (3:39)
You were pre-azempic and post-azempic, right?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:42)
Correct.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:43)
And weightlifting.

**David Friedberg** (3:44)
Beef jerky.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:46)
Go find my Leonardo DiCaprio picture, please, and replace my Fat Jay Cal picture with that. Thank you. Oh, God, I was fat. Man, plus 40 pounds is a lot heavier than I am.