Is Allie Beth Stuckey a Sheep or a Goat?

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Dan McClellan (0:55)

We're back to this new right-wing authoritarian talking point. Wait a minute, the problem is empathy, because Jesus was big on being like, oh, don't go too far. Love your neighbor, but don't go nuts.

Dan Beecher (1:07)

Don't be crazy about it.

Dan McClellan (1:10)

That's just irrational. Hey, everybody. I'm Dan McClellan.

Dan Beecher (1:18)

And I'm Dan Beecher.

Dan McClellan (1:19)

And you're listening to the Data Over Dogma podcast, where we increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion, and we combat the spread of misinformation about the same. How are things today, Dan?

Dan Beecher (1:32)

Things are great. Things are great. I'm very grateful that Erin was able to show up last week and help us out.

Dan McClellan (1:39)

Appreciate Erin stepping in, coming in clutch there while I was out of town in Boston and New York. I'm walking here, as everyone traditionally says, when they're crossing the streets in New York City.

Dan Beecher (1:55)

I assume that you hit a car, that a car almost hit you and then you slammed the hood, as is the tradition.

Dan McClellan (2:02)

Yes, as you know, when in Rome, as they say. Yeah.

Dan Beecher (2:06)

I'll ask you more about that. This is a little teaser. I'll ask you more about your trip and we'll hear some fun tales in the patrons only content in the after party of this very episode. So maybe now would be a good time for people to sign up over on Patreon.

Dan McClellan (2:24)

Yeah. Get on. Get in on that sweet, sweet. What? It's been a it's been two weeks since I've done a podcast.

Dan Beecher (2:31)

Yeah. Yeah.

Dan McClellan (2:31)

You're not in on that sweet, sweet after party action.

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Dan Beecher (2:37)

We'll get it. We'll get back into the swing of it someday.

Dan McClellan (2:40)

Yeah. It's a work in progress.

Dan Beecher (2:42)

It won't be today.

I'm looking forward to the show today. We've got a couple of things that we're talking about at first. First, we're going to be taking issue. Look, the I don't know if you, Dan, have been checking in with the news at all lately, but people have been talking a little bit about immigration. You and I have talked about it on the show several times, but we got a different angle, a different thing to talk about. We're going to launch from something that we saw from one Miss Allie Beth Stuckey. So that'll be fun to chat about that. And then in the second half of the show, we've got an Artifacts in Fiction, and it's one that I haven't heard about, but it looks really interesting. Yeah. Just some fun pieces of paper that were found in the middle of the river.

Dan McClellan (3:40)

Yes, on an island in the middle of a river, islands in the stream.

Dan Beecher (3:44)

Yeah, that's what we are.

Dan McClellan (3:46)

This one has a name that everybody pronounces differently.

Dan Beecher (3:50)

Did you see me deftly avoiding trying to say the name of the island in the river? Because that's what I was trying to do. We will have to get to the name of that island when we get there. But the papyri that come there from are the real crux of what we're getting to. And I'm excited to talk about it. But first, taking issue.

So what do we take an issue with? We're taking issue with Allie Beth Stuckey, as I said, who made a video that irked and rankled you.

Dan McClellan (4:25)

Irked and rankled a handful of folks, myself among them, yes. Because there's been debate about immigration, about a lot of the cracking down on immigration, some of the draconian measures that are being taken in order to slake this identity marker of brutalizing the foreigner, because that's what helps people maintain their grip on power. But we've had some folks who are large content creators on social media, on TikTok, on Instagram, elsewhere, who have not traditionally waded into biblical debates, who in response to a lot of the folks who are ra-raing the separating of families and the snatching people off the streets by unnamed, masked somebodies and shipping them off to gulags in other nations without due process. And people have begun to share passages from the Bible, including passages from Matthew 25 There's a parable there in Matthew 25 that is generally known as the parable of the sheep and the goats.