Is Agentforce the future of enterprise vibe coding? | Salesforce’s Dan Fernandez

**Andrew Zigler** (0:06)
Welcome to Dev Interrupted. I'm your host, Andrew Zigler.

**Ben Lloyd Pearson** (0:09)
And I'm your host, Ben Lloyd Pearson.

**Andrew Zigler** (0:11)
Salesforce made its big play for Enterprise Vibe Coding this week, announcing the launch of Agentforce Vibes. It aims to solve the challenge of using Vibe Coding in production by adding enterprise-grade security and governance. And it also introduces Vibe Coding, an autonomous AI agent that accelerates the entire development lifecycle, from cogeneration to book resolution. And to help us break down what that means for development teams everywhere, we're welcoming Dan Fernandez, Vice President of Product for Developer Services at Salesforce. And Dan was a great guest and I had a ton of fun talking to him. So stay tuned. I know you're going to love our chat. But before we get to Dan, we got to jump into this week's news items. And we got an interesting roundup for y'all this week. And I want to kick it off with a report that came across our desk about the future of tech leadership. It's a survey report from Riviera Partners that's been making the rounds in the last week about how AI is redefining readiness, strategy, and structure for teams. And according to that survey, AI is shaping their strategy more than any other trend. And this shouldn't come as a surprise to anybody, matching many of the reports that we've been covering here on Dev Interrupted in the same light. But there were some interesting insights that emerged from this one. I know, Ben, that you highlighted a few of them. What stood out to you?

**Ben Lloyd Pearson** (1:23)
Yeah, so it's a pretty short report, so a really quick read for our listeners to go check out. And it really focuses on what organizations need for AI-driven software development. And one of the big highlights was things like the skills that organizations are looking for for AI leadership. And in particular, they were highlighting things like tech skills that they need in leaders today. So things like pragmatic operators, visionary thinkers, being commercially aligned with AI. And I think it really shows like this need for both like forward thinking skills coupled with the ability to apply AI in real world commercial needs. And one of the big things that this report pointed out was that most companies today really just aren't structurally ready for AI. And this was based on C-level ownership, board engagement, cross-functional collaboration and their hiring behavior.
And the report pointed out that the biggest things holding companies back are things like talent gaps, lack of executive fluency and just unclear ownership and accountability. And they were saying that the companies that are ready to leverage AI have done so by explicitly hiring leadership roles who are responsible for leading AI innovation within their organization. And this ties really well into what we've been saying here on Dev Interrupted. And that is that 2025 is the year of disruption. As we all experiment with AI and we learn to navigate with the complexities of the new norms of the AI-driven era. There's new patterns that are emerging. There's new roles being created. And there's a whole bunch of new skills that are being prioritized within organizations. And the challenge is that these changes take time. It doesn't happen overnight. In my opinion, I think these trends are going to solidify over the next 6 to 12 months. And if you look at places like LinkedIn, Indeed, you can already sort of see some of that starting to solidify. Because there's all sorts of new leadership positions that are starting to pop up with AI in the title, specifically for engineering. So these are C-level, VP, director level roles with titles that have things like AI productivity, AI innovation, AI strategy and transformation. And right now, the titles and job descriptions they kind of seem to be a little bit all over the place. And the roles are sort of split between like internal transformation and product development roles. And I think over time, like these titles and descriptions will standardize. But for now, I think if you're someone out there who's listening to this podcast and you have a lot of AI skills and you're looking to advance your career into a leadership position, there's actually a lot of companies that need someone like you. So if you're looking for a change, a change in, you know, maybe you want to look for a new opportunity or maybe you want to stay over your app, but you want to help your organization level up, it's actually a really great time to start looking for new opportunities, new positions to help organizations really jump into this AI transformation. So yeah, it's a great time if you have those skills and organizations really need the help of people like you.