Inside Devin: The world’s first autonomous AI engineer that's set to write 50% of its company’s code by end of year | Scott Wu (CEO and co-founder of Cognition)

**Scott Wu** (0:00)
Our whole team is only like 15 engineers. We use a ton of Devin when we're building Devin. Most folks on the team are definitely working with up to five Devens at once. And so Devin merges several hundred pull requests into production in the Devin code bases every month.

**Lenny Rachitsky** (0:12)
What percentage of your PRs are Devin versus humans right now?

**Scott Wu** (0:16)
It's in the neighborhood of a quarter or so.

**Lenny Rachitsky** (0:18)
Where do you think this will be at the end of the year?

**Scott Wu** (0:21)
Honestly, we expect it to be a decent bit more than half.

**Lenny Rachitsky** (0:23)
You guys are so ahead of how companies work with AI engineers.

**Scott Wu** (0:28)
AI is going to be the biggest technology shift of our lives. Most of the big tech revolutions that we've had over the last 50 years, like personal computer and the internet and mobile phone, they all had this big hardware component that was a big part of the distribution. Folks who were building for those industries kind of saw their market grow and grow and grow basically steadily year over year as the number of people with mobile phones increased, as the number of people connected to the internet increased. One of the things which is already I'd say different in AI is just how explosive the technology can be. There's no weight on hardware distribution. It means that the space is just growing so exponentially.

**Lenny Rachitsky** (1:01)
How is the act of being an engineer and building changing?

**Scott Wu** (1:04)
I think there's going to be way more programmers and way more engineers a few years from now. Pretty quickly, the form factor of what it means to be a programmer obviously is going to change. But at the end of the day, of course, the discipline is all about just being able to tell your computer what to do. And so in that lens, I really think that programming is only going to become more and more important as AI gets more powerful.

**Lenny Rachitsky** (1:20)
Today, my guest is Scott Wu. Scott is the co-founder and CEO of Cognition, which makes a product called Devin, the world's first autonomous AI software engineer. Unlike other AI tools that I've highlighted on this podcast, Devin is designed to act like an actual remote engineer that you chat with like you would with any other human engineer through Slack or through its dedicated website. When Devin launched about a year ago, it was very much a junior engineer. Over the past year, they've made a lot of progress and Devin is now being used by tons of companies in production. We chat about how their engineering team of 15 uses Devin's to build Devin, including how every engineer uses about 5 Devin's each to help them code and move faster. How a quarter of their pull requests today are committed by Devin's and that they expect this to be over 50% by the end of the year. We also talk about how Scott imagines software engineering is going to look in the future and how the role of an engineer changes from a coder to an architect. We also get into the 8 pivots that they went through before landing on this path. Why Scott believes AI tools like this will lead to more engineer hiring versus less. Also where the name Devin comes from and so much more. This episode is going to blow your mind. I highly recommend you listen to it if you're at all interested about where engineering, product building and AI is going. A huge thank you to Claire Vo for suggesting a bunch of great questions for this conversation. If you enjoy this podcast, don't forget to subscribe and follow it in your favorite podcasting app or YouTube. Also if you become an annual subscriber of my newsletter, you get a year free of linear superhuman notion perplexity and granola. Check it out at lennysnewsletter.com and click bundle. With that, I bring you Scott Wu. This episode is brought to you by Interpret. Interpret unifies all your customer interactions from GONG calls to Zendesk tickets to Twitter threads to App Store reviews, and makes it available for analysis. It's trusted by leading product orgs like Canva, Notion, Loom, Linear, monday.com, and Strava to bring the voice of the customer into the product development process, helping you build best-in-class products faster. What makes Interpret special is its ability to build and update customer-specific AI models that provide the most granular and accurate insights into your business, connect customer insights to revenue and operational data in your CRM or data warehouse to map the business impact of each customer need and prioritize confidently, and empower your entire team to easily take action on use cases like win-loss analysis, critical bug detection, and identifying drivers of churn, with Interpret's AI assistant, Wisdom. Looking to automate your feedback loops and prioritize your roadmap with confidence, like Notion, Canva, and Linear? Visit enterpret.com/lenny to connect with the team and get two free months when you sign up for an annual plan. This is a limited time offer. That's interpret.com/lenny.