How to Save America: Mark Cuban and Tucker Carlson Debate | All-In Summit 2025

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:02)
Mark Cuban is here ever since he was a child.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:04)
He wanted to be an entrepreneur.

**Mark Cuban** (0:07)
I just love to compete for whatever reason.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:09)
I do.

**Mark Cuban** (0:10)
We want all our fellow Americans to succeed.

**David Sacks** (0:12)
The Dallas Mavericks are NBA champions.

**Mark Cuban** (0:15)
The first title in franchise history.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:20)
One of America's most famous professional sports owners is selling his beloved team.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:25)
We've done a reality show, just retired from that, cashed out of the Mavericks check, kind of adds up to you're going to run for president.

**Mark Cuban** (0:33)
No, there's no way.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:36)
Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Mark Cuban.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:51)
All right.

**David Sacks** (0:53)
Thanks for being here.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:55)
God, Mark, it feels like we've been doing this for 30 years and we have.

**Mark Cuban** (0:58)
We have, I know.

**David Friedberg** (1:01)
What GLP are you on?

**Jason Calacanis** (1:03)
What off-menu items?

**Mark Cuban** (1:05)
None.

**David Sacks** (1:06)
He's in retirement. Sells a team, takes a break.

**SPEAKER_7** (1:09)
I mean, you really do look incredible. Are you doing something?

**Mark Cuban** (1:14)
I'm working out.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:17)
You want to know about the off-the-menu items. We'll talk backstage.

**Mark Cuban** (1:19)
There are no off-the-menu items.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:21)
No off-the-menu items. Okay.

**David Sacks** (1:22)
Just exercise, huh?

**Mark Cuban** (1:24)
Exercise and watching what I eat, yeah.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:28)
What was more painful in the last year? Kamala losing or Luka getting traded?

**Mark Cuban** (1:33)
Luka getting traded. It's not even close. And no, I had nothing to do with it.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:38)
We know, and you know, you sold the team. You explained it 50 different ways to Sunday. But there was this idea that you would still be involved to some extent.

**Mark Cuban** (1:47)
Yeah, I fucked up. Yeah.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:49)
Unpack it.

**Mark Cuban** (1:50)
Yeah, I mean, when I did the deal, the presumption was that I would still be running basketball. And we tried to put it in the contract, but the NBA said the governor is the governor and they make all final decisions. And then, you know, I was involved. And then we went on this run where we went to the finals. And rather than trying to interject myself all the time, right, I was like, I don't want to get in the way, we're rolling. And that was a mistake, right? So it went, there were some, you know, some things that happened internally where, you know, the person who traded Luka didn't want me there. And so they won. I lost.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:29)
Yeah.

**Mark Cuban** (2:29)
That's in the past. I'm still hardcore Mavs, MFFL.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:32)
A rare L for Mark.

**Mark Cuban** (2:34)
No, there's been plenty of them. I just try to minimize them.

**SPEAKER_7** (2:37)
Yeah. Mark, let's talk about health care. You started a business that has had a really profoundly disruptive impact in its compounding. Tell the people the business you started and tell them why you started it and why you just think health care is a burden.

**Mark Cuban** (2:54)
Sure. So I got a cold email from a Dr. Alex Oshmianski. And he wanted to create what's called a compounding pharmacy where pharmacies can make drugs per order. And it was right around the time the farmer bro was going to jail for jacking up the price of this generic drug called DeraPrim. And I was like, how can he do this, Alex? And you know, in investigating it, it became very clear very quickly that no one knew what the price of any medication was and there was zero transparency. And so I was like, this is wrong. So we got the URL costplusdrugs.com and we set it up so that when you go to costplusdrugs.com, costplusdrugs.com, and you put in the name of the medication, whatever it may be, we're going to show you our actual cost. And not only are we going to show you our actual cost, we're going to show you our markup, which is only 15%. Plus for mail order is $5 for shipping, $5 for the pharmacist to review. And then we also have the option of local pickup. Now what really created the change is we were the first to ever do that. And even to this day, three and a half years later, nobody else publishes their price list for medications. And so when you think about health care, particularly the financial side, nobody trusts it at all. And in reality, you know, trust is actually a formula in my mind. Trust equals transparency divided by self-interest. We were completely transparent. And in terms of self-interest, only a 15% markup on medications is fair and it's nothing. And so, you know, I get emails all the time, like, you know, I was looking at having to pay 900 or 1000 or 1500 or 2000, and your price is $21.