How Do You Redesign Civilisation? - Jordan Hall - #055

**Chris Williamson** (0:00)
Hello, friends. My guest this week is Jordan Hall. Jordan is the CEO of Neurohacker, and also an incredibly clever guy. Anyone who spends most of their time thinking about how they can redesign society as a whole, globally, to be more effective, is definitely someone not to be messed with. He is a ridiculously busy guy, and it's taken a lot of work backwards and forwards to schedule him in. So you can imagine my distress when I accidentally called him by the wrong name, which is what his handle is on Medium, but not actually his name. So a big old facepalm moment for me with officially the worst introduction to a guest that I've ever done. However, I think I kind of styled it out. We'll see if you can notice when it happens. But other than that, we talk about some really cool stuff. Jordan's understanding of how society works at large is literally like no one else that I have ever heard. He was commandeered by the guys at Rebel Wisdom to explain the situation with Jordan Peterson versus the mainstream media, and then the intellectual dark web. So I mean, when he's the meta critic and the analyst for those situations, that gives you an idea of what you're in for. It's a mind blower. So strap yourself in. Please welcome Jordan Hall.
Jordan Greenhall, how are you today?

**Jordan Hall** (1:47)
I'm doing well. Apparently, on the other side of the pond, I will be Greenhall forever.

**Chris Williamson** (1:51)
Your name, it flip flops between the two, right? Which one are you now?

**Jordan Hall** (1:56)
I am Jordan Hall.

**Chris Williamson** (1:57)
Jordan Hall?

**Jordan Hall** (1:58)
Yeah, Jordan Hall. I was born Jordan Hall. I changed my name when I got married to Greenhall, and I am now back to Jordan Hall.

**Chris Williamson** (2:08)
Okay, cool. Everyone is now updated. Also, for the viewers who are watching on YouTube, you will notice that I am now in HD. Video Guy Dean, my video producer, forced me to get a better webcam before it was a potato sticking out the front of there. One disadvantage is that now, because it was so pixelated before, I could get away with not doing my hair, I could get away with wearing essentially pajamas and no pants or whatever I wanted. Whereas now I have to make it a little bit more of an effort, which is good for the guests, I suppose, and also the viewers at home. Jordan, what have you been working on recently?

**Jordan Hall** (2:48)
I would like to compliment you on your HDI. I noticed that when I was looking at it. It's like, wow, that is very crisp.

**Chris Williamson** (2:54)
That's some sharp imagery right now, yeah?

**Jordan Hall** (2:56)
It is.

**Chris Williamson** (2:57)
I know.

**Jordan Hall** (2:58)
Okay, so let's see. Well, I'll assume a certain degree of familiarity with what I've been up to, because otherwise the story ends up being pretty long. But the basic premise is for the past 20 years or so, I've been trying to get a sense of what we might say is the fundamental nature of the game that we found ourselves playing for some significant period of time that I'll call Game A. Initially, really grabbing it from a bunch of different threads and just noticing that if you just kept pulling the thread, say for example, the thread of the 2008 financial crisis, and then the 2010 echo in Europe, if you take that thread and you just keep following it and just keep asking the question of what's under this, what's deeper, what's deeper, what's deeper. There is a way to find yourself at a very deep level that shows that, in fact, as far as I can tell, there has been a particular kind of game that we've been playing together since the birth of agricultural civilization. They were still essentially playing out that game.
As you mentioned that there was a game before that, that was pre the birth of agricultural civilization, and the transition between the two was a big part of the early story. From my perspective, it became more and more clear over time that that particular game, this game A, this game of agricultural civilization in its most current form, has a certain trajectory to it. It has a certain set of fundamental dynamics that lead to it failing in certain ways, and that it reboots, reforms, tries to keep searching for ways to keep going on its own. But there's a sort of a meta-terminus. There's a game to end all games. The Game of Thrones actually comes to an end. And we're sort of there. We're at the end of game A. You know, maybe in the next year, maybe in the next 20 years, but we're definitely at a point where the methodology by which that game is able to reboot and try to reestablish itself is coming to a terminus. And so in that context, what I've been doing most recently is what might we do in that context? How do we find a way to really step outside of the game? because if we're in the game at all, we're kind of in the game all the way. It's a very tricky thing. So is there a way to step outside of that game completely and to almost discover or maybe also in some sense remember a new game that is simultaneously something that is not going to be an extra result terminating and is really responsive to the situation that we actually find ourselves in and is able to be born in the context of now while still develop and develop on its own terms into being able to essentially take over from game A in the time that we have. So that's it.