How a hacker, a hustler and a designer made RSS feeds cool

**Dan Lines** (0:00)
Hey, what's up, everyone, this is Dan, the host of Dev Interrupted.
One of the things that I'm obsessed with, which is one of the reasons that I founded LinearB, are the products, the software, and the tools that developers are using organically. These are the tools that devs want to use. And that brings me to the topic of Daily.dev. It's a tool that developers really love. And I was able to sit down with the Daily.dev co-founders, pick their brain about their company, the mission, how they made it happen. How did they create a tool that's really kick ass for developers? So check it out. I hope everyone enjoys the conversation as much as I did.

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**Dan Lines** (0:59)
Hey everyone, welcome to Dev Interrupted. I'm your host, Dan Lines, and today I'm joined by Nimrod Kramer and Ido Shamun. Together they co-founded Daily.dev, where Nimrod now serves as the company CEO and Ido as the CTO.
Guys, thanks so much for joining us. And we were very proud to have you as partners for our first Interact Conference last September. Really looking forward to the conversation today.

**Nimrod Kramer** (1:26)
Thank you, Dan. Thank you for inviting us.

**Dan Lines** (1:28)
Absolutely. I always like to start by giving our audience the opportunity to get to know you, get to know our guests a little bit better. So Nimrod, let's start with you.
Can you give us some background about yourself and let the audience get to know you a little bit better?

**Nimrod Kramer** (1:43)
All right, cool. So as mentioned, I'm currently serving as the co-founder and CEO of Daily.dev.
And personally, I'm really passionate about a lot of things, but in particular, I really love Table Tennis. That's one of my guilty pleasures. And I also love startups, obviously, which is what I do for a living. So I'm happy to be here and nice to meet you all.

**Dan Lines** (2:07)
Yeah, that's awesome. Actually, I think we're gonna get into a different startup that you two did earlier. But before we go there, Ido, how about you? Like, what's your background?

**Ido Shamun** (2:18)
I'm beginning to know things about tour, and other things I remember myself basically, like high school or something, maybe before. I learn acting around projects, you know, games and websites. And I've been with Nimrod for like almost seven years now, I think, more or less.
And it's been an awesome ride together.

**Dan Lines** (2:39)
That's great. Can you remember like your first software project or programming language as a kid?

**Ido Shamun** (2:46)
Yeah, it was C language. This is what we learned in high school. And I did this like car race in CLI. So it was a simple interface, you know, command line. And you like to use the arrow keys to race against like a machine player. So this was how I started.

**Dan Lines** (3:05)
That's awesome. I think I also did something like that in high school. We had a computer lab in high school where they taught us seed, but I think we did way more boring things. Like, I don't know, four loops and whatever. I don't remember making a cool game, but that's awesome.
Thanks for sharing. So a question for both of you. So prior to founding Daily.dev, the two of you were both co-founders of a company called The Elegant Monkeys.
What was that all about?

**Nimrod Kramer** (3:35)
Pretty wild name, isn't it?

**Dan Lines** (3:36)
It's an awesome name.

**Nimrod Kramer** (3:37)
Definitely one to remember. So this company was a deep tech startup that was building a lot of very cool technology around monitoring and measuring human emotions. So we were doing a lot of research around wearable devices and how we can utilize the physiological data, the fitness data extracted from the device and understand whether people are happy, whether they're sad, they're stressed and this kind of stuff. This company was one hell of a ride. Like we operated all over the world. We did data collections, but mostly we were active in the Japanese market, which is I think a topic for a podcast for itself.
But it was a crazy ride.

**Dan Lines** (4:22)
Yeah, is that because like the culture fit well with the Japanese?

**Nimrod Kramer** (4:27)
Yeah, I think that's definitely one of the reasons, like one of the unique aspects of what The Elegant Monkeys was. But it was also, it was the distance, it was the age where we started it that we were pretty young for all those like super heavy, hardcore international transactions with the largest electronics manufacturers in the world and with hospitals, with governmental institutions.