Holy Sex Work?

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Dan McClellan (0:59)

Well, if you use an, you don't pronounce the H, because that's why it's an, because they didn't pronounce the H.

Dan Beecher (1:04)

Don't tell me how to pronounce things. People are in our comment sections telling us how to pronounce things. And frankly, pedantry is the most boring thing in the world.

Dan McClellan (1:12)

Hey, I make half my living off of pedantry. Don't be bad-mouthing pedantry.

Hey, everybody, I'm Dan McClellan.

Dan Beecher (1:25)

And I'm Dan Beecher.

Dan McClellan (1:26)

And you're listening to the Data Over Dogma podcast, where we increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion, and we combat the spread of misinformation about the same. How go things today, Dan?

Dan Beecher (1:39)

They go.

Dan McClellan (1:40)

They go.

Dan Beecher (1:40)

And they go.

Dan McClellan (1:41)

That's what they're supposed to do.

Dan Beecher (1:42)

We're diving in. We're having fun. We get to talk about sex work today.

Dan McClellan (1:47)

Sex work is work.

Dan Beecher (1:49)

We get to find hidden secret scriptures.

Dan McClellan (1:53)

That's right. Almost forgot about the secret Psalm.

Dan Beecher (1:58)

Yeah, yeah. Only the Masons and other very clandestine organizations know about this.

Dan McClellan (2:07)

Not even the Mormons have this one.

Dan Beecher (2:10)

No.

Dan McClellan (2:11)

This one is super devil extra secret.

Dan Beecher (2:14)

They may come for us. I don't know. QAnon might get us or something. I'm not sure who's going to come for us, but we're going to reveal the secrets of the Psalms. But first, we got to take issue.

And this week on Taking Issue, the issue that we're taking is with cult prostitution, question mark? What are we doing here? What are we talking about? I'm karate chopping the air because I don't know what's going on.

Dan McClellan (2:44)

So, in the recent interview that CNN put out with what's his name, that Doug guy, Doug Wilson, you know, the guy who says really stupid stuff just to have all of America go, what the hell is wrong with you?

Dan Beecher (3:03)

He was listed by Google as Doug Wilson theologian.

I guess you could call him that. I'd probably call him a pastor.

Dan McClellan (3:17)

Yeah.

Dan Beecher (3:17)

But, you know.

Dan McClellan (3:19)

I mean, that's what he is. Although he did like start a school. Well, that's true. I think he founded, what do they call it? The New St. Andrews?

Dan Beecher (3:29)

Yes.

Dan McClellan (3:30)

Which is just basically rip off St. Andrews. We want the clout.

Dan Beecher (3:35)

It's one better. It's St. Andrews, but newer.

Dan McClellan (3:38)

Plus, yeah. This one goes to 11 But he said in this infamous interview, he was talking about punishment for homosexuality. And he talked about how two kings, Asa and Jehoshaphat, ran the homosexuals out of ancient Israel. And the point he was making was that there's a range of potential punishments for homosexuality that could be reinstated that fall short of the death penalty. And he brought up Asa and Jehoshaphat. And I saw this and was like, that never happened.

Whatever he's talking about, it wasn't that.

Dan Beecher (4:30)

And he's gotten something wrong.

Dan McClellan (4:32)

Yes. And all I could think of was that he was confusing a handful of passages in First Kings and in Second Kings. And I think it's Genesis and Deuteronomy or something like that as well. I assumed that he was confusing those passages for references to homosexuals. And the reason is probably because he was going off the King James Version, because we have in First Kings 1512, here's a reference to, we've got some reforms that are taking place. And First Kings 1512, this is the King James Version, content warning, going to be using some pejoratives, some homophonic, homophonic? No, homophobic terminology. First Kings 1512 says, and he took away the sodomites out of the land and removed all the idols that his fathers had made. And so I was like, well, okay, it sounds like he's looking at this passage and he thinks this is talking about just homosexuals in general. And in addition to the fact that it would only be talking about males, not females, because female same-sex intercourses never once mentioned anywhere in the entire Hebrew Bible.