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**John Coogan** (0:00)
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**Jordi Hays** (0:02)
Today's Tuesday, March 24th, we are live from the TBPN Ultradome, the Temple of Technology, the Forges of Finance, the Capital of Capital. Do you know how I got here today? I drove through the Hollywood Hills, drove through the San Fernando Valley, because we're covering Hill & Valley today, but we're doing it from the TBPN Ultradome. We have a whole bunch of meetings. Who doesn't like it? Anyway, what do you think about this, Jordi? ramp.com. Time is money, save both, easy use corporate cards, bill pay, accounting and a whole lot more, all in one place. Now we are covering Hill & Valley today. We are unfortunately unable to make it in person, so we will be covering it remotely, but we have an amazing setup there with a whole bunch of folks on the ground. So if you're watching this from DC, go say hello to Tyler Cosgrove, live in person at Hill & Valley. Let's pull up the Linear lineup. Linear, of course, is the system for modern software development. 70% of enterprise workspaces on Linear are using agents. We have Chase Lochmiller, Ryan Petersen, Scott Nolan, Sarah Guo, Shaun Maguire, Delian Asparouhov, Zach Dell. We have an amazing lineup and we're very excited to talk to all of them starting at 11.45 today. But first, we have to recap some things. There's been a whole bunch of news. First, we had the great peptide debate of 2026 Brandy Grell, on our team, wrote about this in the newsletter today, tbpn.com. You can go subscribe. Who do you think won? I was talking to a lot of people, very interesting, because you had scheduled this. I wasn't even really aware that there was a peptide debate going on. We'd talked to some other folks on the show about peptides and how there was a debate ready. And I was aware of the meme, like the Chinese peptides in Silicon Valley, all of that stuff. But I wasn't aware of, like, that the debate was boiling to a particular point, and that there were a lot of people that were discussing it. So it was great timing, so thank you for organizing that. And thank you to our guests, Max and Martin, who took the time to come and talk to us. And I thought, did a really good job of being simultaneously entertaining and also very cordial. Like, they weren't actually going at each other's throats. They were scoring points, but I don't think that either of them crossed any lines. There was some discussion over, like, should we have done more fact checking?
I genuinely think that the chat is good for fact checking. Or the experts. Yeah, it's kind of like your view, but I don't know.

**Jordi Hays** (2:18)
Yeah, there was a bunch of people that made very fair points, pointing out, you know, a study here or a patent here.

**Jordi Hays** (2:25)
Yeah.

**Jordi Hays** (2:26)
And, you know, I don't think we actually got, we don't think, it would have been great if we got to a conclusion yesterday and it was like, yeah, this is all bad and we should all be banned, or, you know, they're all good, or figured it out.

**Jordi Hays** (2:39)
But that's where we started. That's where we started. With like, yeah, everyone there agrees that GLP-1s that are owned by pharmaceutical companies are probably not beneficial, blah, blah, blah. And then the really far out stuff that hasn't been studied, that's made in, you know, a basement is probably risky. And we actually had a good friend of the show, Sum It Up, Creatine Cycle, Atlas, of course, said, the peptide debate is as follows. Against, I would be worried about unknown unknowns. Pro, while there isn't much human data, the anecdotal evidence is pretty strong. Against, anecdotes are not enough for me. Pro, fair, it is for me. Against, okay, fair, and I think that's a good point.
And truthfully, people can make their own decisions here. I do think interjecting with a ton of fact checking during the debate would be disruptive. I'm not a fan of that. I sort of just like having one person, the guest, the debater, fact check the other person, because if they know the fact and the other person who they're debating against drops something that's not factual, that's their opportunity to come in and say no, that's not accurate.

**Jordi Hays** (3:51)
Throw that canister whatever Martin had, throw it.

**Jordi Hays** (3:55)
Throw the flashbang, throw the smoke grenade. But I do, so I like leaving some of the fact checking up to them and then just trying to recenter the debate as a moderator. But I don't know, should we do more of these? Let us know. It seemed like a lot of people had a lot of fun with it and were entertained.