Hermes Agent clearly explained (and how to use it)

**Greg Isenberg** (0:00)
Hermes Agent, you're seeing it everywhere. People are calling it the OpenClaw killer. And today's episode is about how you can actually install it, how you can connect it with G-Stack by Gary Tan, how you can connect it to Obsidian, how you can create skills. We go through step by step how you can get started with Hermes Agent. This is everything you need to know for how to run it, get started, and actually how you can even use it on an Android device. So enjoy the episode. I'm here with my dear friend, Imran, who just explains technical concepts in such a clear way. It's a breath of fresh air. Enjoy the episode, the introduction to Hermes Agents.
I begged them to come on, and Imran has come on.
Thank you for coming on. By the end of this episode, Imran, what are people gonna get?

**Imran Muthuvappa** (0:56)
By the end of this episode, you'll learn how to install Hermes Agent, which is the best personal agent. It has built-in memory, it learns about your workflows and helps save you time, money, and allows you to do more. And I'll even show you how to install it on an Android phone.

**Greg Isenberg** (1:10)
Okay, cool, yeah. So, been hearing a lot about Hermes. Obviously, it's going viral. Is it the new OpenClaw? I don't know. Imran, I just need you to explain it in the simplest terms, the most clear terms, so that at the end of this episode, I can actually go on my computer, get Hermes going.
So, you're committing to making it as clear as possible and sharing as much sauce as possible?

**Imran Muthuvappa** (1:34)
Exactly, yeah, that's what I'll do.

**Greg Isenberg** (1:36)
All right, let's do it.

**Imran Muthuvappa** (1:38)
All right, so the first thing, the way that I found Hermes Agent was that I tried using OpenClaw. And when I was using OpenClaw, I ran into basically three massive issues. The first issue is that I kept having to tell it to do the same things over and over again, because there was no built-in memory system, right? And this is a common problem. The second problem I found was that I had to keep restarting the gateway. I think there was a day where I had to restart the gateway once an hour. And so that was really useless. I felt like I spent more time setting up OpenClaw than I was actually using it to make my life better. The third big problem with OpenClaw for me was just that it was eating up tokens and I had no visibility into how or why.
So I quickly migrated over to Nebula, which is if you're looking to build, if you're looking to have just like an AI coworker, Nebula is probably the better tool.
But if you want to have personalized workflows, if you want to tinker under their hood, and you want to have a system that learns over time, I highly suggest using Hermes. So the three things that Hermes does better than OpenClaw are basically solving the three problems that I mentioned. One is that it has a built-in memory system. So every time you complete a task and successfully complete it, it automatically writes to its own memory. This way, over time, it gets better. It also uses a typical normal SQLite database, which is the same type of database as normal web applications. And what that allows it to do is search in real time for times where it's done something successfully for you. So if it didn't save it to its memory, it can actually go and search through all of the logs of all the things you've asked it to do and remember it. Even things like API keys, if you forget to save them to an environment variable, but you passed it to the agent, it can actually search through and find it for you. And the last thing is, it's just more stable. I haven't had to restart it in over a week, which is way better than what happened with OpenClaw.
So I'll walk you guys through the installation, but before I do, Greg, do you have any questions so far?

**Greg Isenberg** (3:41)
Yeah, I mean, I guess I'll see by the end of this, but for me, it's like, I think a lot of us listening, we might have heard of OpenClaw, we might have installed OpenClaw.
I'm just, what I'm begging to know is like, what I don't want, actually, I should restart. What I don't want to have happen is I install Hermes, and then a week later, I go back to OpenClaw, basically. You know what I mean? Like, I just kind of want to pick an ecosystem and be like, this is my personal agent.