Hermes Agent App Clearly Explained (and how to use it)

**Greg Isenberg** (0:00)
Hermes Desktop App just launched, but how do you actually go and make money, be more productive using Hermes Desktop and Hermes Agents in general? So today, I have Alex Finn on, and he gives you an entire walkthrough of how to use Hermes Desktop App, all the nooks and crannies, explains everything so, so clearly, and then we go through some use cases. So stick around to the end, where we show you exactly how you can set up Hermes Agents that go and build businesses for you. This is the most comprehensive tutorial on Hermes Desktop App and Hermes Agents on the Internet, and I can't wait for you to actually go, learn, build, and have some fun. Enjoy the episode.
Alex Finn, I need you, by the end of this episode, to explain to me why I need to get Hermes Desktop. I need you to walk me through Hermes Desktop. I need you to show me use cases of Hermes that show me how I can make money, be more productive. And I need you to explain me why I need to get off OpenClaw, why I need to shut down my telegram, and everything in between. Alex Finn, can you do that by the end of the episode?

**Alex Finn** (1:27)
Greg Isenberg, mission accepted. We will do that. We will go through why Hermes Desktop is the best AI agent experience on planet Earth. We'll go through every feature, every nuance, every secret, and then we'll show you the sauce. We'll go through all the use cases you can do, every person watching this video, so they can get tremendous amount of value out of Hermes Agent.

**Greg Isenberg** (1:50)
All right, let's go.

**Alex Finn** (1:52)
All right, we'll do it. Here we go. I want to share my screen.
Great to be speaking with you, Greg. I have been deep into Hermes Agent Desktop the last few days, so they released this a few days ago now. I wasn't expecting it. I believe this is like the moment that Hermes overtook OpenClaw, to be quite honest. And as most people probably know, I was like the OpenClaw guy. I was at a poker tournament last night, and a guy, I was like, hey, you're the guy getting paid by OpenClaw, right? And I'm like, no, I don't even talk about OpenClaw anymore. What are you talking about?
This is Hermes Agent Desktop. So before everyone was using Hermes and OpenClaw inside Telegram, inside Signal, iMessage, all of that, I think this is the single best way to use Hermes Agent now. I think I don't use Telegram on Desktop anymore. I don't use any other experience. This is clearly the best way to be using Hermes Agent.
There is a lot here. So a few things, one, sessions all here, right? So before in Telegram, if you wanted some idea of sessions or multi-threading, you needed to set up threads in Telegram, which is kind of like an advanced confusing thing to do. I know a lot of nerds watching would be like, what are you talking about? That's easy. For the average person setting up threads in Telegram isn't the easiest thing to do. You got to like create separate group chats and then add your bots and then like edit subjects. And here, every time you talk to your Hermes Agent, it just goes into a new session and you can talk to it. So it makes it really nice for like, just separating out your context. I think the way most people use Hermes Agent by default is they have like kind of like a mono thread, right? There's one big thread where they talk about everything in it. The issue is, is you kind of like pollute your context with the hundred different things you talk about. And so your costs skyrocket. Like that's like the number one complaint with Hermes. Oh my God, I'm paying $1,000 a month. If you manage your context and your sessions, well, you are not paying $1,000 a month. You're not paying anything close to it.

**Greg Isenberg** (4:05)
Alex, by the end of this episode, can you show maybe a few ways for us to get our Hermes under control, like some tips and tricks?

**Alex Finn** (4:13)
Absolutely. We'll do that throughout. Then we'll recap at the end. I'll give you a whole bunch of sauce on saving money with Hermes as well.

**Greg Isenberg** (4:20)
Okay.

**Alex Finn** (4:22)
So saving money with Hermes, number one, appropriate sessions. Context, especially if you're using like Opus, which has a million parameters, context can really inflate your bills, like three, four acts of your bills. So if you keep things individual, right, here's my content session, right? Here's my talking about local model session, mode research is my stock research session. With the context nice and slim, I'm saving tons of money because every time I send a message, it'll only be that thread itself. For those who are a little less technical, when you send a message to your agent, right?