Has Modern Society Set Women Up For Failure? - Louise Perry - #911

**Chris Williamson** (0:00)
Bonnie Blue might be pregnant, good news?

**Louise Perry** (0:04)
Very bad news. I mean, I would bet money that she is not pregnant. I would bet money also that Lily Phillips is not pregnant. What are the chances that the two of them are pregnant at exactly the same time? Come on. I also just hope they're not.

**Chris Williamson** (0:19)
That's a lot of sperm.

**Louise Perry** (0:21)
Yes, I did see someone on Twitter saying that actually, the most reliable contraception in the world, like the marina coil, has a 1 in 1,000.

**Chris Williamson** (0:31)
That's a 157 actually breaks it. Yes.

**Louise Perry** (0:34)
I guess it's plausible. But I really hope it's not true. I think it would be very likely that social services would get involved in all seriousness.

**Chris Williamson** (0:48)
Wow, that's interesting. I totally didn't think about that. Why would they get involved?

**Louise Perry** (0:53)
Because it's very common for children to be taken away from mums if they are in prostitution. The thing is that, I think what social services are normally worried about is children being exposed to punters like if they're coming into the home, which isn't happening with Bonnie Blue or Lily Phillips.
But they do work from home in the sense of doing coming from home and I think it would be very, very difficult to protect children completely.

**Chris Williamson** (1:23)
It's perilously similar. The word sex worker was reclaimed by OnlyFans and online models and stuff like that. Sex worker, I guess, 20 years ago would have been girls that were out on the curb at the dark hours of the night and guys driving past.
Now, it covers a whole range of sins, many of which are digital and totally parasocial and totally solo. But something tells me actually that social services might, if you want to expand the definition of sex worker to include this sort of stuff, then perhaps the social services have got something to say about that.

**Louise Perry** (2:01)
Yeah. I think they'd at least have to think about it.
I really hope it's not true, because imagine the psychological toll on a child who knew that they've been brought into the world in those circumstances. I mean, Lily Phillips doesn't have a boyfriend, so if she weren't pregnant- Yeah. I think she does.

**Chris Williamson** (2:26)
I guess if you had a sample of 1,000 guys, you've got to be one good one in there. Or maybe not.

**Louise Perry** (2:32)
Haven't they been selected for being the worst podcast?

**Chris Williamson** (2:35)
It was guy number 854, and I saw him across the room and I thought, you're for me.

**Louise Perry** (2:40)
I mean, though this is a thing as well, the torture that that child would be put through in school because everyone would end up knowing, and imagine your conception being on film. I mean, just everything about it is appalling.

**Chris Williamson** (2:55)
What do you make of-
It feels like we're in a bit of a post OnlyFans era, or we were until Lily Phillips and Bonnie Blue re-injected some attention into it. I wasn't really seeing people talk about it in the same way. It become normalized. I think a lot of the market inflation, the bubble that had occurred around COVID had maybe started to decline a little bit. This was a thing. Some people do it, some people don't. But there was a big talking point for a long time, which was you do this as a younger woman, and then you try and either find a partner, and then if and when you find a partner, you then have a child, and there's this archaeological evidence that vestigially follows you around potentially and follows your kids around for the rest of time. What did you make of that? What did you make of the concern around that for young women who want to make a little bit of money, but then have their whole life ahead of them, that they have to carry it forward with?

**Louise Perry** (3:52)
The expression that I've used before is that OnlyFans is to the marriage market, as a criminal record is to the jobs market. Like, it is forever, and it does make it more difficult to. This is actually something, have you watched the Lily Phillips documentary?

**Chris Williamson** (4:06)
I struggled a little bit, but yeah, I got through it.

**Louise Perry** (4:10)
I thought it was actually really good and really interesting, and well done. And this is one of the things she talks about, like how am I going to, she doesn't have a boyfriend, she doesn't really have any friends, right? How is she going to find a husband? I think she says at one point like, oh, maybe I'll find a husband who wants to, according to the expression she uses, but basically who has a cuck fetish, right? Which doesn't sound like a very good basis for marriage. I mean, it's a really serious problem. And I always think with these women, like really good-looking, any-fans women, why don't, if they want to have easy money, why don't they just find rich husbands? That seems like a much more, there's like a much better law.