Harsh Lessons in Unorthodox Strategy - Bugzy Malone - #1009

**Chris Williamson** (0:00)
You've got a line that says, being a role model is taking its toll.

**Bugzy Malone** (0:04)
Yeah.

**Chris Williamson** (0:05)
How so? How does being a role model take its toll?

**Bugzy Malone** (0:08)
What song is that from now?

**Chris Williamson** (0:09)
That's a freestyle. It's from the Charlie Sloth original 10 years ago. Sorry, no, it's from the second one that you did, or the most recent one. It's from number two and number three.

**Bugzy Malone** (0:19)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

**Chris Williamson** (0:20)
Being a role model is taking its toll.

**Bugzy Malone** (0:22)
I mean, look, so, as I was just telling you there off camera, I've just not long come back from Miami, and I'm floating with the idea of writing something, a bit of a book, and I get this message off of a woman, and she's like, you know, my eight-year-old autistic son wrote today in school that you're his superhero. I'm flipping sat there in this little quirky hotel room that's got like a record player and like Bob Marley records and stuff. And I decided to just get her contact and give her a ring. They've actually came to like meet and greets before to meet me. And I just wanted to speak to her about it and just see what it is that these kids and these people in general, seeing me and where they're actually taking strength. So I guess when you understand that things like that are going on, you start to take your job description more serious because you know some people are living by the things that you say. And I find it keeps me sharp.

**Chris Williamson** (1:34)
Is there an additional type of pressure that comes along with that? It's kind of one that you didn't ask for, right? It's a byproduct of doing what you do. It's a beautiful benefit, but it's a huge cost as well.

**Bugzy Malone** (1:43)
Yeah, I think so. And actually, I think I appreciate the pressure because it's this weird like paradox, right? Of like, you want to be the best version of you, you know? You want to grow into this individual that you see yourself being. But without the pressure, it's too easy to just not do it. You know, I'm running off not much sleep today. I've been to the gym. I've been boxing. But the pressure of knowing I've got this, I've got the things I've got coming next means that I'll keep rolling.

**Chris Williamson** (2:13)
Keeps you sharp.

**Bugzy Malone** (2:14)
Yeah. If I didn't have them things, I'd have for sure laid in bed today.

**Chris Williamson** (2:18)
There's a bodybuilder called Chris Bumstead, and he was sat in that seat yesterday. Sixth time Mr. Olympia. He's kind of the Arnold of our era.

**Bugzy Malone** (2:25)
Okay.

**Chris Williamson** (2:26)
And a good friend. And he had for a very long time, I think for almost all his career, his caption was, pressure is a privilege.

**Bugzy Malone** (2:34)
It is, yeah. Yeah. Honestly, bro, I've done things in my career that I had no idea I was capable of. You know, no idea. I had a bike accident four or five years ago.
On the hospital bed, I get a message from Guy Ritchie, would you like to be in another film? I'm like, yeah, but I need to learn to walk again first, you know, but the pressure pushed me to be in maybe the fittest I've ever been. So it's definitely a privilege for sure.

**Chris Williamson** (3:11)
Is it hard to stay hungry when you've achieved ten times all of the goals that you ever thought that you would have done?

**Bugzy Malone** (3:18)
That's interesting to say really because and it's a big conversation that's coming up at the minute in my life in particular. And how I sort of planned it was I sort of planned the bigger picture. And because I used to box, I see opponents dotted about. So I'll try and sprint past them. You know, I'll try and win certain battles.
So the bigger picture is not done yet. And actually the picture evolves the more that I learn more stuff, you know. So I'm not actually quite there. So some of the achievements that I get are a surprise for me some of the time, you know. So I think in terms of actually staying hungry, as I was saying to you then off camera, I've been listening to motivational videos and your voice keeps popping up. But that's because when I was about 2021, I experienced depression for about two years. I couldn't even get out of my bedroom almost. And that's when I started to learn about the law of attraction, listening to motivational videos and sort of creating healthy habits to shake off this like dark place I was in, you know. So now I'm not in a dark place, but I could easily get comfortable. So you've got to act with the same urgency, I find.