‘Hard Fork’ Live, Part 1: Satya Nadella and Cindy Cohn

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**Kevin Roose** (0:51)
Well, Casey, we got a special treat on the show this week. We are going to be playing some excerpt and snippets and featured conversations from Hard Fork Live.

**Casey Newton** (1:00)
That's right, Kevin. We just had the second installment of our annual live show. It was an incredible time, and we're so excited to share highlights of it with our listeners.

**Kevin Roose** (1:11)
Yes, it was so great to hang out with listeners and also welcome some very special guests. We'll be bringing those conversations to our listeners and viewers in this feed over the next two weeks. Today, we're going to share three conversations with you. The first is with Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella.
The second is with Phil Mohun, who is the wrangler of these robot dogs that you may have heard about. These are a project conceived of by the artist Beeple. They have these robot dogs with Elon Musk's face and Mark Zuckerberg's face on them. They're very funny and entertaining. We brought them out on the stage during Hard Fork Live for the Open, and we'll talk with him about that project and what he's trying to accomplish there. Then we're going to talk with Cindy Cohn, the outgoing executive director of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and a longtime activist on internet and privacy related issues.

**Casey Newton** (2:06)
Yeah, absolutely great lineups of fascinating conversations and we hope you enjoy them.

**Kevin Roose** (2:25)
I'm Kevin Roose, a tech columnist from The New York Times.

**Casey Newton** (2:30)
I'm Casey Newton from Platformer.

**Kevin Roose** (2:32)
And this is Hard Fork Live.

**Casey Newton** (2:35)
Oh, Kevin, what a fine looking bunch of humans this is.

**Kevin Roose** (2:41)
Truly, we are so happy to be here. This is one of the highlights of our year. We love meeting our friends and our family and our listeners and viewers all here. It is so much fun.

**Casey Newton** (2:52)
These are the few and the proud who got tickets within hours of them going on sale and who crucially made it through the security line. So thanks for that. We haven't seen a security response like that since the time I tried to use Claw to make a bioweapon.

**Kevin Roose** (3:08)
Now, if you are used to listening to us or watching us on YouTube, you'll notice there are a few differences that you're going to experience tonight. For starters, there's no button you can press to speed us up to 1.5x.

**Casey Newton** (3:20)
Sorry.

**Kevin Roose** (3:21)
You also can't skip the ads.

**Casey Newton** (3:23)
No. And you're about to find out just how heavily each week's show is edited.

**Kevin Roose** (3:31)
Now, before we start tonight, because I imagine we will be doing some talking about AI, should we make our disclosures?

**Casey Newton** (3:38)
Let's do that. And in fact, we thought we would do something really special this time, because we actually had a listener make us disclosure hats, which I thought we could show off. I think this is yours. Thank you. Yeah.

**Kevin Roose** (3:51)
So these are our disclosure hats. We'll put them on. So official here.
I work for The New York Times, which is doing OpenAI, Microsoft and Perplexity.

**Casey Newton** (4:00)
And my fiancee works at Anthropic.

**Kevin Roose** (4:11)
Now, Casey, it has been such a big week in tech. So much has been going on. We were down in Cupertino on Monday for Apple's big developer conference, where they showed off the new Siri AI.

**Casey Newton** (4:22)
Yeah, it's really interesting. You can use Siri AI to set an alarm that will trigger every time Apple falls further behind in AI. So that's kind of interesting.

**Kevin Roose** (4:33)
We also saw the release of Claude Fable, the new powerful model from Anthropic.

**Casey Newton** (4:39)
Yeah, this one is really big. They're already starting to use it in the government. In fact, Pete Hegseth just said it makes the best martini recipe he's ever seen.

**Kevin Roose** (4:50)
And then we have also been gearing up for Hot IPO Summer and the IPO of Anthropic and SpaceX and OpenAI.