Greenpeace's Ex-President - Is Climate Change A Hoax? - Patrick Moore - #373

**Chris Williamson** (0:00)
Hello friends, welcome back to the show. My guest today is Patrick Moore. He's the co-founder and ex-president of Greenpeace and an author. Climate change has been at the forefront of political, cultural and social battles for the last 40 years. Patrick had a front row seat as he organized the environmental movement's first ever major demonstration. But now he has some real problems with the direction it's heading in. Expect to learn Patrick's thoughts on humanity's impact on global warming temperatures, his opinion on extinction rebellion and Greta Thunberg, what people mean when they say we've only got 50 harvests left, whether we should be worried about rising sea levels and much more. obviously, I don't have the scientific or ecologically minded background to be able to fully stress test everything that Patrick says today. However, I am trying to get Roger Hallam on the show, who is one of the co-founders of extinction rebellion, which should provide a good balance to the argument from both sides. So, yes, take on board what Patrick says today, see what you think. It's definitely a counter-narrative to pretty much everything that we see in the press. Lots to think about with this one. In other news, this episode is brought to you by Surfshark VPN. Protect your browsing online and get access to the entire world's Netflix library for less than the price of a cup of coffee per month. You do not want to be bare-backing the internet. That's basically what you're doing if you log on without using a VPN. Your internet service provider can see everything that you're accessing and they can sell that data to companies that then target you with ads and track you around the internet. It also allows hackers and other nasty people to see what you're doing and to try and steal your data and passwords. But on top of all of that, what you want is to be able to access America's Netflix library because it's got all of the Marvel series and movies, tons more than we get anywhere else in the world. And if you're in America, you can access what we've got going on over here in the UK. You can watch Line of Duty perhaps, which everybody needs to check out. You can download it and be set up in less than a minute. And you have an unlimited membership so you can have it across as many devices as you own your TV, your laptop, your iPad, your phone and everything else. On top of that, you get 83% off, three months free and a 30 day money back guarantee by going to surfshark.deals slash modern wisdom. That's surfshark.deals slash modern wisdom for 83% off, three months free and a 30 day money back guarantee. In other other news, this episode is brought to you by Pure Sport CBD. If you are struggling to switch off and sleep on a nighttime, their Pure Sport Unwind Blend is a great place to start. It's an all natural mix of CBD and chamomile and lavender and vitamin B and other stuff that helps you to get the rest that you need on a nighttime. It will reduce stress and enhance your mood. They've also just released their Pure Sport Mind and Body Mushroom Blend, which is a powerful invigorating and stimulating blend of six mushrooms that seeks to enhance focus and also aid in relieving stress and anxiety. It's got lion's mane and chaga and reishi mushrooms and shiitake and cordyceps. If you've spent any time listening to Paul Stamets on Joe Rogan, you will know that mushrooms have huge health benefits and Pure Sport has taken all of the guesswork out of it. You know exactly how much to take at what time and the blend is already there optimized for your body. Also you can get 20% off everything sitewide by going to pure sport cbd.com/modernwisdom and using the code MW20 at checkout for a 20% discount on all full priced items. That's pure sport cbd.com/modernwisdom and MW20 for 20% off plus they ship worldwide. So no matter where you are, you can get the highest quality CBD blends direct to your door. But now please give it up for Patrick Moore.
Patrick Moore, Bucket Bill Show.

**Patrick Moore** (4:19)
Nice to be with you, Chris.

**Chris Williamson** (4:21)
What is your background? How did you come to be involved in the environmental discussion?

**Patrick Moore** (4:27)
Well, rather checkered, I have to admit. I grew up on a floating village on the north end of Vancouver Island with no road to that area. It was a west coast inlet, so we were like outlanders there, and everything was by boat. The freight came on a boat once a week to a village of about a hundred people. And in 1965, when the road came finally, a 75 kilometer gravel road from Port Hardy on the other side of the north island. Vancouver Island is the largest island on the west coast of the Americas from Alaska to Argentina. So it's a 300 mile long island. And I was born on it and still live on it in a slightly more civilized part now. But I have a home on the beach where I grew up. So I'm really lucky that way. And when the road came, we thought, wow, now this place is just going to explode. Half the people use the road to get out. So we learned something of human nature that day. And I then ended up being sent to boarding school because the one room school I went to till grade eight only went to grade eight. So I was sent to Vancouver to St. George's School, which is modelled after the English public school. And there I excelled in science and particularly life science. Went to the University of British Columbia in an honors bachelor of science in biology and forestry, which is the industry I grew up in. And it's what we have almost on the entire province is trees. And much of which is in parks and much of which is in places where you're allowed to cut them and make lumber and paper. And so I then discovered the word ecology before it had been in the popular press and realized it was an obscure branch of science going back to the late 1800s, which basically dealt initially with soil forming processes. And when you understand soil science, you understand that all life emanates from soil on the land, that is, not in the ocean, of course, but it then led me to realize that ecology was about the interrelationships among all the factors on earth, especially with relation to life, but life is made of rocks and air and water. So it includes those two and all those factors that come into effect. So it's almost like infinity, the number of interrelationships there are. And infinity is kind of a spiritual concept because none of us can actually fathom it. And so as an agnostic in my family, my whole family was not particularly religiously oriented. I suddenly discovered religion in a non-religious sense, in a way, in science. I discovered the wonder of the infinity of life and the universe and realized it was unfathomable at a certain level, but that we could know more about it by studying it. And that's where I got my beginnings. And then I learned about while doing my PhD, I learned about this little group that was beginning to meet in the basement of the Unitarian Church in Vancouver to plan a protest voyage against US hydrogen bomb testing in Alaska, taking on the world's most powerful organization at that time, a bunch of hippies. And but we were actually all professionals of one sort or another, just that of course we looked like hippies because it was the hippie era in the early 70s. And we sailed on that boat, 12 of us, and John Cormack and his 12 disciples, as we called ourselves. And we caused quite a ruckus and got on Walter Cronkite's evening news in the United States and helped change the course of nuclear weapons development. It was the cusp of the Cold War when they stopped increasing the number of nuclear weapons. And we stopped those nuclear tests on Amchitka Island in the Aleutians. Then went on to campaign against French atmospheric nuclear testing. France was still detonating hydrogen and atomic bombs in the air in the Southern hemisphere in French Polynesia. And the French people didn't even know this was happening because France controlled all the media, including Le Monde. And we got this issue in Le Monde for the first time in France. And the campaign against that began domestically as well as internationally. And oh, just the rest is history. We stopped the killing of 30,000 whales per year in the North Pacific when we turned from the nuclear issue having won two major victories.