Gavin Baker - Nvidia v. Google, Scaling Laws, and the Economics of AI

**Patrick O'Shaughnessy** (0:00)
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**Brian Strang** (1:18)
My name is Brian Strang. I'm the technical operations lead. I work at Congress Asset Management.

**Patrick O'Shaughnessy** (1:24)
How would you describe your experience working with Ridgeline?

**Brian Strang** (1:27)
Ridgeline is a technology partner, not a software vendor, and the people really care. I get sales calls all the time, and I ignore them. Ridgeline sold me very quickly. We went from $7 billion to $23 billion, and the goal is $50 billion. Ridgeline was the clear frontrunner to help us scale.

**Patrick O'Shaughnessy** (1:43)
In your view, what most distinguishes Ridgeline?

**Brian Strang** (1:45)
They reimagined how this industry should work. It was obvious that they were operating on another level.

**Patrick O'Shaughnessy** (1:52)
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**SPEAKER_3** (3:27)
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**Patrick O'Shaughnessy** (3:56)
I will never forget when I first met Gavin Baker in 2017 I find his interest in markets, his curiosity about the world to be as infectious as any investor that I've ever come across. He is encyclopedic on what is going on in the world of technology today. I've had the good fortune to host him every year or two on this podcast. In this conversation, we talk about everything that interests Gavin. We talk about Nvidia, Google and its TPUs, the changing AI landscape, the math and business models around AI companies and everything in between. We even discuss the crazy idea of data centers in space, which he communicates with his usual passion and logic. In closing, at the end of this conversation, because I've asked him my traditional closing question before, I asked him a different question, which led to a discussion of his entire investing origin story that I had never heard before. Because Gavin is one of the most passionate thinkers and investors that I know, these conversations are always amongst my most favorite. I hope you enjoy this latest in the series of discussions with Gavin Baker.