Garcia, Judge & The Lineup Problem Nobody Talks About

**Craig Carton** (0:00)
All right, 332 Carton Show, Big Mac. Great to have you here.
By the way, I see Pete Crowe Armstrong, big fan of the show. I embraced my maybe most bizarre take of all time, and that is that Babe Ruth didn't exist.

**Chris McMonigle** (0:18)
Excuse me?

**Craig Carton** (0:19)
I'm sorry? Pete, I said it. I saw Pete.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:23)
Yeah, well, your opinion?

**Craig Carton** (0:25)
Yeah, that's where he got it from. Really? Yes. Yes. Yes. Matter of fact, Fox Sports 1, he played it as the promo for six months. I guess my wishes, by the way, when I was doing the Carton Show over there.

**Chris McMonigle** (0:37)
I think I remember that.

**Craig Carton** (0:38)
Yeah. It was a dope thing. I said it obviously jokingly. Next thing you know, it's like the Carton Show. Babe Ruth didn't exist. Like what? I was teasing.
Well, PCA said it yesterday.

**Chris McMonigle** (0:51)
I know.

**Craig Carton** (0:52)
And part of his reason, rationale for it was that if you watched any of the videos, it looks like the throwing underhanded to him. Anybody could hit fly balls back then if you're pitching underhand.

**Chris McMonigle** (1:03)
Yeah, I'm confused what he means by didn't exist. Like a fake set up by Major League Baseball or the person didn't exist.

**Craig Carton** (1:10)
I think he believes that there was a human being, but that human being wasn't very good at baseball. That he was like a creation.
Almost like a movie, a comic book or whatever, right? Yeah, that he never actually played.

**Chris McMonigle** (1:23)
Obviously, he existed and I think he was legit. But I will say this, I agree with Otto Madovino, who went on the record a handful of years ago, saying he'd strike his ass out in three pitches.

**Craig Carton** (1:34)
Well, easy to say.

**Chris McMonigle** (1:35)
I agree with that.

**Craig Carton** (1:36)
Look, if you were throwing 100 miles per hour back in 1925, you probably would have struck everybody out.

**Chris McMonigle** (1:43)
You dropped Kam Schlittler in 1927

**Craig Carton** (1:45)
He's the greatest pitcher of all time.

**Chris McMonigle** (1:46)
He's going through murderers' row, nine up, nine down.

**Craig Carton** (1:49)
What was the, if you had to guess, I could look it up. 19, say 1927 Yeah. 1927 What was the average amongst the best pitchers in baseball for speed?
85?

**Chris McMonigle** (2:03)
Amazingly enough, Craig, they didn't have pitch clocks. I think they did. They didn't have radar harnessed into a gun.

**Craig Carton** (2:10)
Are you sure about that? Well, they had to have speeding tickets back then.

**Chris McMonigle** (2:14)
That's a good point.

**Craig Carton** (2:15)
Yeah.

**Chris McMonigle** (2:16)
I never thought of that. I don't think they did.

**Craig Carton** (2:18)
I think they must have.

**Chris McMonigle** (2:19)
In 1927

**Craig Carton** (2:20)
Were there cars back then? Not a lot of them.

**Chris McMonigle** (2:23)
When was the Model T?

**Craig Carton** (2:24)
Model T was, I want to say, in the 30s? No, before the 40s.

**Chris McMonigle** (2:28)
20s? Yeah, 27s.

**Craig Carton** (2:30)
How did it go in the 20s? It was definitely in the 20s.

**Chris McMonigle** (2:32)
Yeah, it was probably in the late...

**SPEAKER_4** (2:33)
The Model T Ford was May 20

**Craig Carton** (2:35)
Sorry, the Model T Ford, 1908 through 1927

**Chris McMonigle** (2:40)
I would have guessed the teens.

**Craig Carton** (2:41)
Yes, 15 million of those were sold.

**Chris McMonigle** (2:43)
15 million Model Ts. Yeah. Not all 15 in 1908, though.

**Craig Carton** (2:48)
No, it started at... You could have bought a Model T Ford in 1908 for $850.

**Chris McMonigle** (2:53)
Wow, that's a lot of money back then.
Was it? I wonder what...

**Craig Carton** (2:56)
It must have been, right?

**Chris McMonigle** (2:57)
Money calculator time?

**Craig Carton** (2:59)
What was $850 in 1908 in today's dollars? If you had to take a guess, 20 grand?

**Chris McMonigle** (3:07)
Did you already do it or no?

**Craig Carton** (3:08)
I did not. Okay.

**Chris McMonigle** (3:11)
Oh, it goes to 1913 It's the earliest it will go back to.

**Craig Carton** (3:13)
What did I just say?

**Chris McMonigle** (3:14)
1913

**Craig Carton** (3:15)
As a matter of fact, I do have it here.

**Chris McMonigle** (3:16)
Okay.

**Craig Carton** (3:18)
A model T1908.

**Chris McMonigle** (3:20)
$870 what?

**Craig Carton** (3:22)
Cost $825. That's $28,000 today.

**Chris McMonigle** (3:26)
Yeah, it's just about $28,000 today.

**Craig Carton** (3:28)
So there you go.

**Chris McMonigle** (3:28)
Wow.

**SPEAKER_3** (3:29)
All right. All right.

**Chris McMonigle** (3:31)
I guess that's what cars go for. That's a cheap one.