Gabriel Leydon - Designing Digital Economies

**Patrick O'Shaughnessy** (0:00)
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**Patrick O'Shaughnessy** (3:14)
Today's conversation is one of my favorites in a long time. My guest is Gabe Leydon, who is the co-founder and CEO of MZ, also known as Machine Zone, the company behind huge games such as Mobile Strike and Game of War. Gabe has spent the last 20 years designing video games and is one of the most original thinkers I have talked to in a long time. In our conversation, we cover why great design can be a bad sign that we've run out of ways to innovate, the most important lessons from human psychology for building games and products, and why products which are busted or breaking but still booming can be great investment opportunities. This conversation rewired my brain on many levels, so I'm excited for you to listen. Take the red pill with us and please enjoy my conversation with Gabe Leydon.
We're going to red pill the audience here.
My whole goal with this interview is to get you to dole out as many red pills as you can. I know you're going to restrain yourself, but we'll do our best. First red pill of the discussion is around the topic of design. There's a huge emphasis on design right now. And I think you've got an interesting take on what an emphasis on design means about where we are in like capitalism. What are your thoughts on the importance of design or what it might mean?