From Bachelor to Betrayed | BONUS

**Stephani Young** (0:00)
Hi, Love Trapped listeners, it's Stephani. It's been a whirlwind of a week. I just got back from South by Southwest Festival in Austin, Texas. It was an unbelievable experience where I was able to meet some of my favorite podcast hosts and even got to present an award at the iHeart Podcast Awards. I also got to do a sit down interview live from Austin with Clayton and my executive producer for Love Trapped, and the host of the hit true crime podcast Betrayal, Andrea Gunning. Also, fun fact about Betrayal, on Sunday, March 29th at 10pm Eastern, Betrayal is premiering on ABC Network, one of the first podcasts to become a primetime TV series. I'm so excited for all my colleagues associated with this show, so please be sure to check it out. And don't forget, new episodes of Love Trapped come out every Thursday. Thank you so much for your support. Now let's get into it. Here's my sit down conversation with Clayton and Andrea about how Love Trapped came to be. I hope you enjoy it. So I've been with Glass Podcast since June of last year, and this is my first time meeting my executive producer for Love Trapped in person, Andrea Gunning. She is the host and producer of Betrayal, also another iHeart and Glass podcast. And we are at South by Southwest in Austin, Texas with iHeart. And we've got Clayton Echard here, and we're going to talk a little bit about the making of Love Trapped.

**Andrea Gunning** (1:24)
Yeah, it's great. It's such a good show, guys. You really knocked it out of the park.

**Clayton Echard** (1:28)
Well, thank you obviously for providing us with a platform to do so. And you're quite an expert, obviously, in stories like this. I'm just curious, first question I want to start off with is, does this impact you mentally to go through these things? And how do you protect your own mental health?

**Andrea Gunning** (1:52)
That's a really good question.
Not a lot of people take the time to ask, so thank you for asking that. They do impact me. I deal with it in different ways. I try to really protect my physical health to keep my energy up. I think I worked, one of my first podcasts that I ever produced was confronting Columbine. And immediately after I went and bought a dog, I was like, I need emotional support. Like you need love and a safe space. But I've been doing it for so long now that I can kind of compartmentalize. But it does take a toll. Like this past season of Betrayal Season 5 is really near and dear to my heart because it's about a really heavy topic that I've experienced in an adjacent way. So I have a really great team. Stephanie's on it. You're incredible. And I think it's just like relying on the team around you to pick up where you need to do and take the time, go for walks, and just manage the material where you can. That's all I can really say. I work out. I lift a lot of weights. That also helps.

**Clayton Echard** (2:59)
That definitely helps.

**Andrea Gunning** (3:00)
Yeah.

**Stephani Young** (3:02)
There's so many sensitive topics in Love Trapped. And I think one of the things that I've realized in my research is that a lot of the people in the support system comes from people that have experienced something like Laura claims she has experienced. So I know that you and I have had conversations about that offline where it's like these are really sensitive topics. How are we going to take care of these when we tell them to the audience? And also, how are we going to take care of ourselves? So that was a really great question, Clayton.

**Clayton Echard** (3:32)
Thank you. And I also want to know, I mean, why hop on this? I'm super grateful to have you as a part of the team. But what was the draw? Because you guys originally came to me and asked if this was something that I'd be comfortable sharing.
And certainly, your reputation and what I had seen, I'm like, okay, this is somebody that understands. They share stories of similar natures. So for me, I'm in good hands with expertise. But what drew you guys to reaching out?

**Andrea Gunning** (4:05)
So I can't speak for, we have another company we work with, it's Crybaby. Danny and Love, it's a little inside baseball, but they were the ones that originally reached out to you. And I think that they just saw, I think Love was googling a Laura Owens for something completely different.

**Clayton Echard** (4:20)