FBI Profiler: "Yes, Elizabeth Holmes IS a Sociopath" — 7 Signs That FOOL EVERYONE (She Did Them ALL)

Lisa Bilyeu (0:00)

For 20 years with the FBI, you've interviewed and profiled serial killers, liars and the worst humans on the planet. So in your experience, is Elizabeth Holmes a psychopath or a sociopath?

Jana Monroe (0:11)

Yes. So not only is she articulate, she's nice looking, she's poised. And she picked something that was very complex, something in the microbiology. So you can't confuse expertise in a domain with intelligence. See, I think a lot of times people conflate things. And I think what snowballed is you started getting people with notoriety that were respected and it's like nobody did due diligence. It's like, well, these people are investing and this community is, and then, oh, look, this drugstore, they're putting all of their money into this. And she took that and ran with it.

Lisa Bilyeu (0:48)

Yeah, the fact that she was able to do all that, and I just have some stats. So she promised a revolution with a whole new medical test from a single drop of blood and investors poured in more than $700 million, $700 million, and by 2014, Theranos was valued at $9 billion. Forbes, of course, another thing where you are, oh, well, Forbes, put her on the front cover, she must be real.

SPEAKER_3 (1:13)

Very respected, yeah.

Lisa Bilyeu (1:14)

And so, you have these moments of credibility, which then you don't double check. You also have someone that is extremely convincing.

Jana Monroe (1:23)

Very convincing. And see, that's what you see, no sexual component, no deaths. But when you talk about a sociopath, I don't think she feels guilty about it at all. Well, now, she probably feels remorse because she doesn't like being in prison, but it's remorse for a different reason.

I don't think she lost any sleep at all over all the people that she was cheating out of all of this money. And it was like, let's just see how far we can take this.

Lisa Bilyeu (1:50)

So you think she's more of a sociopath than a psychopath?

Jana Monroe (1:53)

I do.

Lisa Bilyeu (1:54)

And what is it that contributes to that being a sociopath?

Jana Monroe (1:58)

I think to me, she really does not demonstrate any kind of remorse whatsoever. Again, like you see sometimes with others, the remorse is only that they got caught, not in what they did and all the damage that she did. So when you look at the ripple effect, when I was in law enforcement, it was always frustrating to me because people would make such a differentiation between a violent crime and a white collar crime.

Now, violent crimes, they're again, instantaneous, you can see loss of life. But when you look at a white collar crime and somebody is stealing millions, billions, and you could look at Madoff, you could go on and on and they are ruining people's lives. People kill themselves, some people had no money after that. So it's huge where the other, it's one, two, three, four, five people. This is hundreds or thousands of people. I think for her, that's what this was, thousands of people with the impact on it. And instead of like, like, Oh God, maybe I shouldn't be doing this. I think she was getting exhilarated by it.

Look at who I have fooled with all of this.

Lisa Bilyeu (3:02)

So if you had, let's say an hour with her, what couple of questions you would ask her?

Jana Monroe (3:07)

Oh, I'd love to have an hour with her. Can you arrange that?

SPEAKER_3 (3:11)

I'll see, I'm coming along with you now.

Jana Monroe (3:14)

All right, we'll go together.

Okay, so the first question that I would ask her, and she's in prison, is how did you start your journey with your medical revolution? When did you have the epiphany or the idea that you wanted to do this, and what was your motivation? The reason I'd ask it that way is because I'd want to appeal to thinking that maybe she really did have some altruistic motivation initially, and it kind of got out of control. I don't think for one minute she did. No. But I would like to hear what her comment would be.

Lisa Bilyeu (3:54)

And what is that doing? Because that's quite a soft question.

Jana Monroe (3:56)

It's a very soft question. Yes. And the reason I would start with a soft question is like we talked a little previously, I don't want to be passing any judgment on her. Without saying, how did you end up here? It's like, how did you start your idea to do this? You dropped out of college and you had this epiphany that this is what you wanted to do.