Ex-Anthropic Whistleblower Suspects Chinese Spies Inside America’s AI Labs

Jacob Coxon (0:00)

Whoever controls AI comes a god.

SPEAKER_2 (0:02)

I will destroy humans.

Jacob Coxon (0:03)

This tech is powerful tech, and I'm just very surprised that Trump can sit there and say, I'm gonna let Dario Amadei, I'm gonna let Sam Oman have the keys to this powerful tech. I just think they haven't fully internalized how crazy it will get if we don't slow down.

Patrick Bet-David (0:16)

Do you believe China is not gonna work on super intelligence and they're gonna listen to us?

Jacob Coxon (0:19)

If you appreciate that the tech is scary, and it's gonna feel scary for the people building it, I think China will also realize that.

Patrick Bet-David (0:26)

How certain are you that spies are already there?

Jacob Coxon (0:29)

They're not vetting for something that could be a superweapon technology. It's just crazy, it's like it's happening right under the noses of the government.

Patrick Bet-David (0:35)

You met people that you think they could be?

Jacob Coxon (0:37)

You know, again, I really, I don't want to call that names. I haven't thought about that detail.

Patrick Bet-David (0:40)

Forget about given names, I'll find out.

Jacob Coxon (0:42)

They hated me. They hated me because I was like, for good or for bad, feels like the end of the world. I was part of something that was gonna go badly, and I became convinced that really there was no good plan.

If we could slow down AI and speed up everything else, like deregulate drugs, deregulate biology research, deregulate like human self-experimentation, I think a lot of stuff, it's just AI in particular that's the thing that's scary.

Patrick Bet-David (1:02)

So in four years, if Dario wanted to destroy OpenAI, he could.

Jacob Coxon (1:06)

I think 2027 is gonna be a crazy year.

Patrick Bet-David (1:16)

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Jacob Coxon (2:03)

Nice to be here.

Patrick Bet-David (2:04)

You decide to put on a tweet, okay? You had started your account January of 2026, you hadn't put nothing up at all.

Your first tweet says, I resigned from Anthropic today. I spent the last three years doing pre-training research at both OpenAI and Anthropic. Neither company is acting responsibly. They are racing straight to self-improving superintelligence and gambling with our lives. More thoughts below. We'll get into that later on.

And this tweet gets 803,000 likes, 175 million views. There was a meeting yesterday at the White House, prompted by you indirectly. You got politicians that got involved, world leaders that got involved, a meeting that happened with G that was here last week. One of the topics of discussion was how powerful AI is going to be. And the funny part that I think is important for the audience to realize is, and you can fact check me on this, that you let all your stocks go, that you weren't even able to vest your stocks because of the timing that you had, which means any money on the stocks that you also had was left behind for you, if that's correct, right? The options didn't move on with you.

Jacob Coxon (3:08)

Not at Anthropic.

Patrick Bet-David (3:09)

Not at Anthropic.

SPEAKER_2 (3:10)

At OpenAI, you were there. I have an OpenAI.

Patrick Bet-David (3:12)

Okay, so you did all of that, and the world kind of stopped for a few days. Till today, they're still talking about it. What did you see that got you to say, I have to do this?

Jacob Coxon (3:24)

Yeah, it really was just thinking about next year. Next year and the year after. I think 2027 is going to be a crazy year. And I think about the news headlines. Like, so last year, AI a bit in the news. Three years ago, it was very rarely in the news. Maybe for Chad GBT, but otherwise no. This year, it's bam, bam, bam, AI every month, there's a big AI story.