Epstein Files Flop, State of the Market, Autonomous Robots, Trump's Gold Card, Friedberg on Jeopardy

**Jason Calacanis** (0:00)
All right, everybody, welcome back to the All-In Podcast. Our incredible comedian, celebrity guest got sick at the last minute today and didn't make it. We won't say who it is, but my lord, when he comes on this show, you are going to laugh your ass off because he's awesome.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:15)
I like the comedians. I think that their takes on society and culture are pretty interesting, I think.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:19)
Do you think it will work in our format? What's your prediction here? We've never done it.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:22)
I think the quality of the show is best when it's less just people doing takes and it's more the back and forth banter.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:29)
That's what I'm always trying to do is get the ball to go around the horn and get some real dialogue going here. But sometimes people feel passionate with me again this week on the All-In Podcast, David Friedberg and Chamath Palihapitiya. My name is Jason Calacanis. You can follow me on x.com/jason. He's at Chamath and he's at Friedberg.

**David Friedberg** (0:50)
Why can't I make fun of you in the replies on Twitter anymore?

**Jason Calacanis** (0:54)
Oh, because it's a very good question.

**David Friedberg** (0:56)
You blocked my ability to reply to you?

**Jason Calacanis** (0:57)
No, what I did was my replies were so many MAGA lunatics and crypto scams that I had no choice but to like, I had to do something because I would have like 500 replies to every single one. And I put it on subscription and I said, if you want to reply, it's $3 a month now. 1500 lunatics signed up.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:18)
I did so I could control it.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:20)
Just so you control me. And I thank you for the $3 every month. It's all going to charity. Do you want me to intro the show or get some warm up answer about Jeopardy? Or do you want to go right into Epstein?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:46)
The letter from Pam to Cash is crazy. Dear Director Patel, before you came into office, I requested the full and complete files related to Jeffrey Epstein. In response to this request, I received approximately 200 pages of documents. Late yesterday, I learned from a source that the FBI field office in New York was in possession of thousands of pages of documents related to the investigation and indictment of Epstein. Despite my repeated requests, the FBI never disclosed the existence of these files. When you and I spoke yesterday, you were just as surprised as I was to learn this new information.
By 8 a.m. tomorrow, February 28, the FBI will deliver the full and complete Epstein files to my office, regardless of how such information was obtained. There will be no withholding or limitations to my or your access. My question to you guys is, do you think that this is much ado about nothing, and then that the FBI needs to have the discretion to be able to say no? Or do you think this is one of these things where you're not allowed to do what they're doing?

**Jason Calacanis** (3:01)
It's above my pay grade. I don't know the law of FBI investigations. Then what if they investigated a bunch of people, they were not guilty, and then they were in the files. Maybe they need to look at them before they do a document dump. Maybe there's informants in there. I'm trying to think of what happened with the whistleblower papers from-

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:22)
This is something different. This doesn't say, let's negotiate what we should release together so that we protect people. This says we're just going to lie to you. We're going to lie to you and tell you that, you know, here's this-

**Jason Calacanis** (3:34)
That's her side to the story. Maybe they have another side. Maybe the FBI has a different side. We have to hear from them, right?

**David Friedberg** (3:39)
Is this just like people are intrigued by the gossip angle of it, or is it because they want to prosecute people for hurting people, or is it because they want to cancel people and this is a nice opportunity to cancel? What's happening here?

**Jason Calacanis** (3:52)
I think this is an interesting question because this thing's been going on for 20 years. I think this actually has more to do with conspiracy theories and now the deep state. Like is there a deep state cover-up is the question.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (4:03)
I think the question is, if the chain of command requests something, are you allowed to withhold it? Because you decide in your own judgment that the person above you doesn't deserve to know it. I think that's an important question.