Episode 931 - Boots Riley / Bobcat Goldthwait

**Marc Maron** (0:09)
All right, let's do this. How are you, WTFers, WTF buddies, WTFniks? What's happening? I'm Marc Maron. This is my podcast, WTF. Thank you. Thank you for coming. Thank you for hanging out. How's everything going with you? How's the drive going? How's the running going? How's your biking experience? How's the subway? What's going on on the bus? Where you at? How are you doing out there with the yard work? Good to have you. Welcome, welcome. Be careful with that tool. Please be careful with that knife. Please be careful with that scalding water. All right, pay attention. Pay attention. Hey, don't forget your kids upstairs. All right.
I just wanted to expand the greetings a bit.
Today is a, it's a pretty packed show really. A couple of film directors, one a musician and film director, the other a comedian and film director, both engage in conversations. Bobcat Goldthwait stopped by for a short conversation that always turns into a longer conversation with me because that's just my nature I guess with some people. He's got Misfits and Monsters premiering this Wednesday on True TV July 11th. Sounds interesting, but it was good to see Bobby because we had not talked about the passing of our friend Barry Crimmins and just that experience. And it got a little heavy, but grief is part of life and being there for somebody in that time is an honor in a way.
It sounds like a tremendous burden and sad undertaking, but I think it's an honor. I think we're built to handle that stuff and we're supposed to be there for that. I really think that, but look, I don't wanna get morbid or dark. It was a great conversation. So Bobcat's on. The longer talk would be coming up after that with Boots Riley, the rapper.
You might know him from The Coup, but he's got a new movie coming out. It's called Sorry To Bother You, which he wrote and directed. It's playing now in theaters around. It opens everywhere this Friday, July 13th. I watched it. It's crazy. It's a crazy movie, but in a good way. It's very provocative. So what's going on with you? How's it going? It's very hot here. It's very hot here in Los Angeles.
And as we all know, those of us who are willing to accept a certain amount of truth based in science, that global warming is upon us. Hey, don't touch that dial.
It's not gonna be okay. And we're all complicit. We all contributed. Granted, there are bigger contributors and some of us do what we can. You bring your own bag to the supermarket. Maybe you buy a hybrid or an electric car. Maybe you stop eating meat. So there's not as many farting cows and what used to be the rainforest emitting methane that's deteriorating whatever protections we have. Maybe you do what you can. And obviously, extreme capitalism and industry is at the cutting edge of this. Even with reforms and regulations, we seem to just be plowing ahead into a convection oven. But I just kept thinking about how everybody involved in modern society, given a few beautifully self-righteous hermits, are complicit. And there's some element of our need to be engaged with all this crap that supposedly makes life convenient or entertaining, but is very taxing to the environment to make. It's just interesting to me that some part of us thinks like we're kids. We're like little kids trying to get away with something.
And at the core of that is the shame of knowing we fucked up.
So when it does happen, a lot of people, I have to assume, are going to be like, well, I guess we saw this coming. We hedged our bets, we took a chance, we thought maybe it would adapt. Maybe there was some sort of precedent set at a time before our knowing of this type of heat. And we just forged on. But no, we're all complicit. You know, you get to a point where you do whatever you think you can to not feel shitty about what feels shitty inside you, whatever it is on a cultural level, on a collective level, on a group level, on an individual level, until you just come to a fork in the road. And that fork in the road is the fuck it or fix it fork. Either you're going to be like, fuck it, this is the way I'm going to live the rest of my life, I don't give a fuck. And that type of aggressive, self-aware, on purpose denial has a broad arc to it that can go from just paralyzing apathy and just all the way to fucking murder.