Episode 657 - Ira Kaplan / Bob Odenkirk & David Cross

**Marc Maron** (0:09)
All right, let's do this. How are you, WTFers, WTF buddies, WTFsters, WTFineers, WTFadelics? I am Marc Maron, this is WTF. Welcome to the show. In a minute, I have Bob Odenkirk here in the garage, and I have Dave Cross on the phone to talk about their recent Mr. Show-like Netflix adventure that's up, four episodes of that are up, with a, I think it's just called With Bob and David. It's streaming on Netflix, you can watch all the episodes. There's also, I believe, an hour-long making of special, directed by Lance Bangs, who directs everything.
Everything that we're all involved in in this little world of alt and other things. Him or Bobcat, but yeah, I'll talk to Bob and David in here in a second. Ira Kaplan, the Ira Kaplan from the seminal alt rock band, Yo La Tengo, here momentarily. He'll be here. I've been meaning to talk to Ira for a while, or he's been meaning to talk to me. We had some stuff to work out. There was a, not bad blood, but yeah, I think I was a little hard on him a little bit. I've known him a long time, but not well. We've been in the same circles for a bit.
I need to tell you, you don't already know this. You do know it, Thursday's Thanksgiving. So on that day, we will be running a live WTF that I did at Podfest with radio legends, Fraser Smith and Jim Ladd, talking to the old timers, the broadcasters, the guys who without which this would not be possible. You gotta pay your respects to the dudes that did it for reals on the terrestrial.
Legends, Jim Ladd still on series, Fraser Smith still on the air here in terrestrial, also doing standup, but Jim Ladd, an important voice in radio through the 70s and 80s and 90s to this day. So that's exciting, but I won't be talking to you directly directly on Thanksgiving. And generally I talk a little bit about Thanksgiving. Well, here's what's going on with me. So I know we're leading to the holidays, but here's one thing I never quite pick up on. And I don't know if you get this, but every year, like a couple of weeks before Thanksgiving, I start feeling irritable. I start getting snappy. I start just kind of losing it a little at my friends and at strangers in my car. I mean, I do that anyways, but I can't quite put my finger on it. You know, I feel like sort of like I'm not grounded. I'm a little fucked up in the head. And I never know what it is at first. And then like a few days before I go to my mother's for Thanksgiving, it fucking hits me, the realization that like, oh, of course, this is the beginning of it. This is the beginning of the family holidays for a lot of us. I mean, some of us do Thanksgiving, some of us don't, some of us do Christmas, whatever, this is it. So of course, I'm feeling a little squirrely because what's happening is my inner self is preparing or resisting going back to the source.
That's it, to the source. Now, whatever it is, whoever's still alive in your life or whoever you spend time with, if it's parental, it's the source. It's not just the biological source, but it's the emotional source, the psychological source, the metaphysical source, the philosophical source. It's all of it. It's the source of who we are. That's the weird thing, is that whatever shortcomings your parents had as a kid innately, you either you blamed yourself or you built some sort of routine around it emotionally, and it's not a healthy thing, but that's what we go into life with. That's what we're given. All right? And some of us spend a lifetime trying to temper it, trying to manage it, trying to fix it, just to tweak those reactions and interactions so as not to become the worst part of our parents. It's just a reality after a certain point. I mean, I'm fucking 52 years old. I don't know how old you are. When we have to go to the source, all that tempering and restraining and inner work that we may have done our entire life is threatened.
So it's freaking out. So before you gotta go, of course you're like, oh God, what's the matter with me? Well, you're going to go deal.
And we innately know that the only person or people that can crumble the structure that we have built in resistance, although temporarily the only ones that can do it, that can just sort of within seconds, just break through the walls of our little castles, our little emotional fortresses. The only people that can do that is our family.