Episode 582: How Constant Health Optimization Makes Us Less Happy and Healthy

**Shani Suisa** (0:01)
Hi, guys, it's Tony Robbins. You're listening to Habits and Hustle.

**Jen Cohen** (0:04)
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Hi, everybody. Welcome to another, I guess, quasi-solo episode of Habits and Hustle, because I am joined by my very favorite foiler, foil.

**Shani Suisa** (1:41)
I'm the voice in your head.

**Jen Cohen** (1:42)
Yes, Shani Suisa, who I just kind of gab with for about 15, 20 minutes on these episodes and just kind of do a hot take of some kind. And so she's joining us again. But before we even get into the episode, I want to make sure I tell you guys all this, because I always forget. Please guys, if you have not subscribed to this podcast either through any platform, I don't know, it could be Spotify, iTunes, it could be YouTube. I don't care. Please press the button. It makes a massive difference in the algorithm and it really helps. And I've been extremely remiss to tell people this for what? Six years. So maybe we should, if you guys listen to this, it takes two seconds and I will greatly appreciate it.
So with that being said, let's move on to the episode. Shani, thank you for being here.

**Shani Suisa** (2:30)
Thank you so much for having me.

**Jen Cohen** (2:32)
You're so welcome. Okay. I want to talk to you about something that I think is, I'm just going to say it and then you can tell me what your thoughts are, okay?

**Shani Suisa** (2:40)
Okay.

**Jen Cohen** (2:40)
So this episode is going to be about, do you think optimizing is making us less happy?

**Shani Suisa** (2:48)
So funny because I was just thinking about buying an aura ring and in my mind, I was like, do I want to do that? Because I honestly hate walking around with my phone. I'd much rather like leave it, but I want to track my steps. But I track my steps. Is that the gateway drug? They're tracking every single thing in the world.

**Jen Cohen** (3:04)
Why can't you track your steps on your watch? I guess then you're again...

**Shani Suisa** (3:07)
I don't have a watch.

**Jen Cohen** (3:07)
No, you can wear it. I track my steps on my Apple watch, but this is a thing, right?

**Shani Suisa** (3:12)
Yeah, but I don't have one. I won't buy an Apple watch.

**Jen Cohen** (3:14)
Listen, you know what? That's true. It's either one or a ring. I guess it's the same thing. I guess this is my point, right?
I'm a big optimizer, right? This whole podcast, my whole life is about how to make you better, even 1% better in a year. How do we make our physical health better? How do we make our mental health better? How do we make our emotional, spiritual, everything health better? But I do think that it's becoming such an obsession in the world right now, or maybe it's, I'm not sure actually if it's the world I'm in, or if it's really just like really becoming the big trend of like outside of my own vortex. Because honestly, like when I watch things everywhere, I see people, everyone's wearing an aura ring, everyone's wearing an Apple watch, everyone is doing these things, which I think is good to an extent. But where is the line of it taking over and controlling your life to a place where you are optimizing everything and trying to hack everything to get a certain score, where you're not having, like your happiness is now not even being considered, or your overall just being is not being. Everything is now gamified to a place where it's stressful.

**Shani Suisa** (4:35)
I just think that you have to find the balance. What's healthy optimization and what's psychosis? What's going to make you go crazy? I feel like it's hard to find. I mean, Brian Johnson or whatever, he just got this whole autoimmune disease because of all of his optimization.