E67: Revisiting Rogan, Canadian truckers' protest, fusion breakthrough, $MSFT's savvy move & more

Jason Calacanis (0:00)

We had a nice dinner. Chamath hosted a little, and we played a little bit of the cards. And there's this new kid there.

Chamath Palihapitiya (0:05)

Oh, big shout out to the co-founder of Great guys.

Jason Calacanis (0:09)

I'm like, how do you wind up here at the game, sitting here, having a beautiful dinner with us?

And he's like, well, and then Chamath goes, and he points to Hellmuth. Hellmuth found a billionaire. When Hellmuth finds a billionaire, what happens? He's tied to the hip. He has a billionaire bromance.

David Friedberg (0:30)

He's a billionaire wrangler.

Chamath Palihapitiya (0:31)

Hellmuth is like one of those truffle dogs in Alba in Italy. You send him out into the woods, he forages around.

He finds a truffle, just digs it out.

David Friedberg (0:44)

That's it.

Jason Calacanis (0:45)

Then he follows, like a dog, he follows a billionaire around.

David Friedberg (0:48)

Tail wagging.

Chamath Palihapitiya (0:50)

Waiting for his owner to show up and pick this little billionaire off the ground. Here's another one.

Jason Calacanis (0:54)

Look, daddy, see?

Chamath Palihapitiya (0:56)

Unbelievable.

Jason Calacanis (0:56)

I found another billionaire.

Chamath Palihapitiya (0:58)

Hellmuth is the most insecure person, but he's such a beautiful human being.

Jason Calacanis (1:02)

I mean, he's a great human.

Chamath Palihapitiya (1:04)

It's like the tale of two people. He really is a walking case of schizophrenia and narcissism. Just.

Jason Calacanis (1:10)

I mean, that's Chamath saying that.

David Sacks (1:12)

I'm not.

Jason Calacanis (1:30)

Hey, everybody. Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of the All-In Podcast with us again, the new chairman and majority shareholder of Lora Piana, Chamath Palihapitiya, and the viceroy of veganism.

Chamath Palihapitiya (1:44)

Do you like my thin cashmere gilet that I'm wearing? Gilet.

Jason Calacanis (1:49)

Do you mean polo?

Chamath Palihapitiya (1:51)

No, gilet.

Jason Calacanis (1:52)

Gilet. Okay. Magnifique. Also with us, the viceroy of veganism, the sultan of science, David Friedberg, and the regent of the right wing.

David Sacks.

Chamath Palihapitiya (2:09)

The viceroy of vegans.

Jason Calacanis (2:11)

Wow. The viceroy of vegans. It came to me in the shower today.

He needs a new one.

Chamath Palihapitiya (2:15)

I switched my background, guys. Do you like it? I just flipped the camera to look the other way, just to mix it up a little bit.

David Friedberg (2:20)

Now we can see your chef picking the vegetables in your garden. Well, yeah.

Chamath Palihapitiya (2:23)

Well, before you used to see him pick the herbs.

David Friedberg (2:26)

Yeah.

Chamath Palihapitiya (2:26)

The herbs are on this side, but now he's, yeah, you can see him pick the veggies.

Jason Calacanis (2:30)

Oh, there's the sous chef.

Okay. There's the prep chef and there's the head chef. Yes. Everybody showed up today. Great.

Chamath Palihapitiya (2:38)

You know, you seem to enjoy the food, Jason, every time you talk all this shit, but you are always eating when you're at my house.

Jason Calacanis (2:44)

You're always eating. Who's the first RSVP after Phil Hellmuth?

David Sacks (2:47)

He's not just eating. He's sending his notes to the kitchen. Could you just do this a little differently?

Jason Calacanis (2:52)

I do give notes.

David Friedberg (2:53)

I do.

Jason Calacanis (2:54)

Usually positive ones. It's like three out of four positive notes.

David Friedberg (2:57)

You know, when I flew with Chamath a few weeks ago, the chef made gluten-free Nutella crepes with homemade Nutella. I mean, it was like the most extraordinary breakfast experience.

Chamath Palihapitiya (3:07)

That Nutella has no sugar.

David Friedberg (3:09)

It's incredible.

Chamath Palihapitiya (3:10)

It's basically all protein, fat, and it's sweetened with monkflower sugar. So delicious.

Jason Calacanis (3:17)

They also kill some albino seals.

David Sacks (3:20)

I've not brought a chef on the plane with me. But I think in fairness, your kitchen's bigger than that.

Jason Calacanis (3:25)

Yeah. I mean, you've got a small plane.

I don't know if a Cessna 142 can fit a chef, Sacks.

David Sacks (3:33)

I'm feeling plain shamed.

Jason Calacanis (3:38)

I just got to Business Select on Southwest, so I'm feeling pretty good about myself right now.

All right, everybody, let's get started. A lot of topics people want to talk about. Do you want to start with Rogan or the Canadian truckers?

Chamath Palihapitiya (3:52)

I think Rogan probably leads into the truckers, no?

Jason Calacanis (3:55)

It might, in fact, lead into the truckers. Okay, so we covered Rogan and Spotify in Episode 66 a whole bunch. Since that time, a video surfaced on Saturday with Joe Rogan repeatedly saying, well, the N-word, and it's pretty rough to watch. And he did a miyakopa, an apology.