E67: Revisiting Rogan, Canadian truckers' protest, fusion breakthrough, $MSFT's savvy move & more

**Jason Calacanis** (0:00)
We had a nice dinner. Chamath hosted a little, and we played a little bit of the cards. And there's this new kid there.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:05)
Oh, big shout out to the co-founder of Great guys.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:09)
I'm like, how do you wind up here at the game, sitting here, having a beautiful dinner with us?
And he's like, well, and then Chamath goes, and he points to Hellmuth. Hellmuth found a billionaire. When Hellmuth finds a billionaire, what happens? He's tied to the hip. He has a billionaire bromance.

**David Friedberg** (0:30)
He's a billionaire wrangler.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:31)
Hellmuth is like one of those truffle dogs in Alba in Italy. You send him out into the woods, he forages around.
He finds a truffle, just digs it out.

**David Friedberg** (0:44)
That's it.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:45)
Then he follows, like a dog, he follows a billionaire around.

**David Friedberg** (0:48)
Tail wagging.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:50)
Waiting for his owner to show up and pick this little billionaire off the ground. Here's another one.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:54)
Look, daddy, see?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:56)
Unbelievable.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:56)
I found another billionaire.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:58)
Hellmuth is the most insecure person, but he's such a beautiful human being.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:02)
I mean, he's a great human.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:04)
It's like the tale of two people. He really is a walking case of schizophrenia and narcissism. Just.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:10)
I mean, that's Chamath saying that.

**David Sacks** (1:12)
I'm not.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:30)
Hey, everybody. Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of the All-In Podcast with us again, the new chairman and majority shareholder of Lora Piana, Chamath Palihapitiya, and the viceroy of veganism.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:44)
Do you like my thin cashmere gilet that I'm wearing? Gilet.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:49)
Do you mean polo?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:51)
No, gilet.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:52)
Gilet. Okay. Magnifique. Also with us, the viceroy of veganism, the sultan of science, David Friedberg, and the regent of the right wing.
David Sacks.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:09)
The viceroy of vegans.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:11)
Wow. The viceroy of vegans. It came to me in the shower today.
He needs a new one.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:15)
I switched my background, guys. Do you like it? I just flipped the camera to look the other way, just to mix it up a little bit.

**David Friedberg** (2:20)
Now we can see your chef picking the vegetables in your garden. Well, yeah.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:23)
Well, before you used to see him pick the herbs.

**David Friedberg** (2:26)
Yeah.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:26)
The herbs are on this side, but now he's, yeah, you can see him pick the veggies.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:30)
Oh, there's the sous chef.
Okay. There's the prep chef and there's the head chef. Yes. Everybody showed up today. Great.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:38)
You know, you seem to enjoy the food, Jason, every time you talk all this shit, but you are always eating when you're at my house.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:44)
You're always eating. Who's the first RSVP after Phil Hellmuth?

**David Sacks** (2:47)
He's not just eating. He's sending his notes to the kitchen. Could you just do this a little differently?

**Jason Calacanis** (2:52)
I do give notes.

**David Friedberg** (2:53)
I do.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:54)
Usually positive ones. It's like three out of four positive notes.

**David Friedberg** (2:57)
You know, when I flew with Chamath a few weeks ago, the chef made gluten-free Nutella crepes with homemade Nutella. I mean, it was like the most extraordinary breakfast experience.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:07)
That Nutella has no sugar.

**David Friedberg** (3:09)
It's incredible.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:10)
It's basically all protein, fat, and it's sweetened with monkflower sugar. So delicious.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:17)
They also kill some albino seals.

**David Sacks** (3:20)
I've not brought a chef on the plane with me. But I think in fairness, your kitchen's bigger than that.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:25)
Yeah. I mean, you've got a small plane.
I don't know if a Cessna 142 can fit a chef, Sacks.

**David Sacks** (3:33)
I'm feeling plain shamed.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:38)
I just got to Business Select on Southwest, so I'm feeling pretty good about myself right now.
All right, everybody, let's get started. A lot of topics people want to talk about. Do you want to start with Rogan or the Canadian truckers?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:52)
I think Rogan probably leads into the truckers, no?

**Jason Calacanis** (3:55)
It might, in fact, lead into the truckers. Okay, so we covered Rogan and Spotify in Episode 66 a whole bunch. Since that time, a video surfaced on Saturday with Joe Rogan repeatedly saying, well, the N-word, and it's pretty rough to watch. And he did a miyakopa, an apology.