E5: WHO's incompetence, kicking off Cold War II, China's grand plan, 100X'ing America's efficiency

**Jason Calacanis** (0:00)
Hey, everybody, welcome to the All-In Podcast. This is our fifth episode. As you know, we regularly publish this podcast, well, every two to four weeks, something like that.
And just to give you a little idea of how well this is going, the podcast peaked at number 10 in Tech Podcasts, even though we never publish it, and we're only four episodes in. So tell your friends about the podcast so we can be number one and just dunk on traditional media, which is full of people who have us as the guests.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:31)
Jason, number 10 on what, Apple?

**Jason Calacanis** (0:33)
Apple Technology Podcasts. We literally raced. I mean, it went from like we debuted in the 20s, then the teens, and then boom, we hit number 10
And I was talking to somebody in media who has us on as guests. And I was like, listen, I formed a super team and we're now getting more traffic.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:50)
I'm sorry, who are you talking to just like a mirror where you were just looking at yourself? I mean, you are so fucking arrogant after that shitty video.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:58)
What video are you referring to?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:00)
Oh my God, you want me to say it to all the listeners. Somebody made a cut of the billion times Jason mentioned he was an early investor in Uber.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:11)
All right, take it easy, Virgin Galactic slash Slack investor.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:15)
I don't say anything.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:16)
I know they put it on the Chiron, the lower third, every time you're on CNBC, everybody.

**David Sacks** (1:23)
My problem is I have too many unicorns to mention just one.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:26)
Right.

**David Sacks** (1:27)
I wouldn't know which one to mention.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:28)
They just go with PayPal and knows Peter Thiel.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:31)
David, I have a question. Why is there a picture of two pregnant men behind you on Zoom?

**Jason Calacanis** (1:39)
We now have the technology for men to be impregnated.

**David Sacks** (1:42)
This is a recent picture of Jason and I on the golf course. I'm not sure who's more out of shape.

**David Friedberg** (1:49)
Are you on the first hole? You look like you're about to collapse.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:55)
In fairness, it's 106 degrees.

**David Friedberg** (1:58)
He puts his hands under his shoulders and holds him up.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:01)
It's 106 degrees and 80 percent humidity. And I kid you not, this was the second and third time I played golf. This was the third time.
And I'm going to just ask D. Frey, David Friedberg is here, of course. He's our science friend, buddy. And Chamath Palihapitiya is here.
How many holes? I want one of you to set the over under on how many holes we completed each day. The maximum number of holes we completed.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:27)
Four.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:27)
Okay, Chamath said a lot of four and you're taking the over. It was, Sacks?

**David Sacks** (2:32)
Five.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:33)
Five.

**David Sacks** (2:36)
And actually, there's a red door every five holes, so that may have had something to do with it.

**David Friedberg** (2:44)
I took nine because I figured Jason was on his rush to the hot dog stand.

**David Sacks** (2:47)
Well, that's where the red door is where the hot dogs are.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:50)
You know why? I said these two dorks with ADHD can barely make it an hour doing anything.
And so if you think an average round takes four hours, then basically you get through four holes in about an hour and then you want to give up.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:04)
We got to the fifth hole. I am addicted to golf now. I don't know if you guys know this.
You can gamble on golf.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:13)
Jason, the biggest match I ever played was a $500,000 million NASA.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:19)
I don't know what a NASA is.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:22)
I lost one and a half bets. I lost 750k.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:25)
What is a NASA type bet?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:27)
NASA is basically a gambling bet on a per hole basis.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:32)
We had just a ton of fun and it was great because this was the first time I've ever.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:36)
It's the single best aspect of golf in my opinion. If you gamble, it makes that game one of the most incredible games because people with mental fortitude who cannot play at all can show up and literally make hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:50)
Yeah, we were playing for hundreds of dollars per hole. So let's just leave it at that. In fact, we're playing $100 a hole. So it was just for fun. But man, I don't know about you guys. If we know somebody who's got a membership in one of these places, I'd love to go back out again.