E45: Theranos & VC fraud risks, China bans video games, Texas SB8, Apple app store, CA fires, Rogan

**Jason Calacanis** (0:00)
Hold on, let's see if we can get Sacks on the line. Alright guys, I guess Sacks is blowing it off because he's too busy with his app.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:08)
No, fuck Sacks.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:09)
We'll start without Sacks.
Hey everybody, hey everybody. Welcome to the All-In Podcast with us today, the Queen of Quinoa on fire in California, which also happens to be on fire, sadly, and the dictator Chamath Palihapitiya. David Sacks will not be joining us today. He's too busy with his All-In app. Oh, I'm sorry. It's actually Callin. He put a C in front of it before he co-opted the All-In Podcast.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:54)
It's Callin, Callin.

**Unknown** (0:55)
Callin, his Callin app, which is debuted this week.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:00)
But Sacks will be, if you're a Sacks stan, I think Sacks is...

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:05)
No, we've done one show without Friedberg, now we're doing one without Sacks.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:07)
Yeah, this will be the Sacks-free episode.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:09)
It is what it is.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:10)
Sacks-free episode. All right. So we got a lot on the dance floor.

**David Sacks** (1:13)
I'm here, I'm here. I'm all too eager to take credit for Callin on Twitter, so don't pretend like you're not part of it now.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:24)
Oh, I'm sorry, I meant Callin app.
The All-In app. Talk about this guy who creates them.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:29)
I hope Callin is worth a trillion dollars.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:32)
I can't believe it. This guy is complaining that I'm leveraging the pod.

**Nick Friedberg** (1:35)
Human style licensing of the term All-In to Sacks and gotten paid like $7 million in equity for him using our names. Oh my God.

**David Sacks** (1:43)
I gave you guys so many shout outs, you know, during the whole promotion.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:48)
No, he did, because I listened to his interview with Emily Chang and I listened to his thing with Axios, with Dan Premack. He's very, David had a very good.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:00)
He was magnanimous.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:02)
Presentation and then he was really magnanimous and kind. So thanks, Sacksie Poo.

**David Sacks** (2:05)
And I gave so much credit to J Cal. I said that if it wasn't for J Cal, I never would have done this whole podcasting thing, because it was too hard. I never would have figured it out.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:12)
And then you gave me a shout out, because like of organizing it so that we could all be friends on.
I like that. I appreciate that.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:19)
Very nice. I actually haven't listened to it, but give us a, for those who don't know, David Sacks has created a podcasting slash casual audio app. It's called Callin. It's available for download for iOS, just coming out of private beta.
My understanding is you're at somewhere around 10,000 folks.

**David Sacks** (2:37)
Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of signups yesterday. I haven't got all the latest numbers yet, but yeah, no, it's taking off. All the reviews of it have been very reviews. People are really excited about it.
But yeah, look, the concept is we're combining social audio with podcasting. We call it social podcasting. You've seen these apps where people create a room, and they have these many to many conversations.
They tend to be ephemeral. No one really records or saves them, and the quality of the conversation is a little bit chaotic. But we've taken that concept and put it in the service of creators who can now essentially record their pod in front of a Live Studio audience. They can bring up the, we call them callers, they can bring up people from the audience one by one to ask their questions. It's much more organized and structured. It's not a free for all to try and grab the mic.
Then once you record the episode, you can then go into post-production in the app, you can edit the transcript in order to edit the episode, and then you publish it and you can share it.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:37)
So it's basically like OnlyFans but audio.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:41)
It's OnlyFans, but for people who don't look good on camera. Family show, family show.
No, not to leave.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:58)
It's my birthday today. God damn it.

**Jason Calacanis** (4:00)
Happy birthday, Chamath. We're going around the horn here. Everybody's patting themselves on the back.
Let's all take a moment to say what we like about Chamath. Okay, great. Let's get back to the episode. That was quick.

**David Sacks** (4:12)
What do you, you know, I was thinking about, you know, what birthday present do I get for Chamath? And then I was like, gee, what do you get for the dictator who has everything? I don't, I don't know.