E42: China's tech crackdown, CRISPR breakthrough, practical climate change solutions & more

**Jason Calacanis** (0:02)
Pick up your phone, dipshit. Sacks.

**David Sacks** (0:07)
Yeah, I'll be ready in like two minutes.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:10)
Let's go. Splash some water on your face, take a couple of whatever you need, some **** and let's go. We're waiting.
Okay, hurry up. It's your chance to get max airtime.
Listen, Friedberg's out. That means you're going to get by default, 33.3 percent of airtime. It's going to be your biggest week ever.
Hey, everybody. Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of the All-In Podcast with us today, the dictator himself, Chamath Palihapitiya and the Rain Man, David Sacks. I'm J Cal and the Queen of Kenwa. Quit the show. Where is the Queen? He quit the show, I think. I think he quit. So we're looking for a science person. If you know anybody, email allscienceguy at theallinpodcast.com if you want to apply for the science position here. No, he couldn't make it.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:20)
He's moving. He's moving.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:23)
I guess we can say that without invading his privacy. But he's not going to be able to do a show anyway because there's so much going on.
And I think we should start with this. Do we want to start with the COVID stuff again for the third episode in a row? Or do we want to start with China and then back into COVID?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:39)
No, fuck COVID.

**David Sacks** (1:40)
I think we should just do COVID quickly because I think, you know, as much as the audience complained about it, we got a lot of comments saying, why are you talking about COVID so much? We were ahead of the curve on predicting this whole new Delta wave.
You know, we told people it was coming. I think it was a useful service. So people might not want to hear it, but it was, I think, I would say we were probably two weeks ahead of the national media.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:02)
I think that we've gotten a couple of things actually right a couple of weeks ahead of other people.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:07)
Yeah, I mean, it was pretty obvious that this was going to race through the places that had low vaccination and having the breakthrough cases is I don't think anybody anticipated that. And the thing we didn't.

**David Sacks** (2:25)
Yeah. Over the last week on Twitter, I'm seeing this big debate on whether vaccinated people can spread the Delta variant. And I'm like, guys, didn't you see the show two weeks ago? We covered this.
Yeah, I got it. I was vaccinated. I got it from someone who was vaccinated. This is known, you know, the Delta variant has slipped the vaccine.
It still prevents the most serious cases. Generally speaking, we need to see it as a spectrum of protection rather than completely binary. But yeah, absolutely. You can get it and pass it on if you're vaccinated. Like we know that. And we said we told the audience that three weeks ago.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:58)
The other thing we predicted was, you know, that this is going to be incredibly disruptive and it's going to create another debate of lock and potential lockdowns and mask mandates. And most of all, we discussed and you know, we had, I think, a pretty vibrant debate between all of us about under what circumstances does your decision to not get vaccinated impact everybody else vis-à-vis the petri dish of the next variant that's coming.
Hopefully that'll be less deadly, less contagious, which is tends to be how these things go. But we also predicted some people are just going to start requiring vaccines, vaccine cards, and we mentioned what's happening in France. And I don't know what examples you've seen this week.

**David Sacks** (3:43)
I thought last week when you made vaccine passports the main issue, I thought well, let's put it this way. I think that was actually turned out to be great moderation because what has been the big issue all over the world since the last episode, vaccine passports, you saw it with Naftali Bennett in Israel. They are not taking any of this vaccine hesitancy.
There's nine million people in that country, eight million are vaccinated. They're telling the last million, you got to go get vaccinated. He has laid down the law saying enough is enough. A billion people have gotten vaccinated.
It works. And for the last million of you who haven't gotten vaccinated, if you want to attend any function with more than 100 people, if you want to go to synagogue, if you want to go to a sports game, if you want to go to the mall, you have to be vaccinated or you are going to get tested that day at your own expense.