E4: Politicizing the pandemic, Police reform, Biden's ideal VP, Twitter vs. Facebook on free speech & more with David Sacks & David Friedberg

**Jason Calacanis** (0:00)
All right, everybody, welcome back to the All-In podcast. We're here with Chamath Palihapitiya, David Friedberg and David Sacks. Our usual, usual foursome as we chop up the business news and what's going on.
And just as a point of order, the frequency of the show is, well, don't ask-

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:20)
As we feel like it.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:21)
As we feel like it, correct. So do not ask me to advertise on the podcast because Chamath banned advertising.
And do not ask me when the next one is. The next one is when Chamath decides he wants to go on a rant. But how are you holding up Bestie C?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:40)
Bestie C is doing pretty well.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:41)
Yeah. And the family, everything. Have you come out of quarantine in any way? So the first question I have for people is, has your behavior changed now as we go into, I think what most people are calling phase two.
Any change in what you're doing in the risk you're willing to take?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:02)
Chamath. It's a really good question. I've kind of ventured out a little bit, but I just kind of put on a mask. The only place I don't wear a mask is when I walk around my house. Just because I live in the suburbs and so there's just so much space between people that you don't really run into anybody. But if I have to go to Walgreens or CVS or whatever, I always bring a mask and gloves.
So I've ventured out a little bit, but nothing meaningful to be quite honest.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:36)
Sacks, you're still out of the country in an undisclosed location.
How are you feeling about what risks you're willing to take? Small groups of people, are you going out to a restaurant? Are you seeing other people? How do you look at the risk you're willing to take personally?

**David Sacks** (1:55)
I've adjusted my risk profile, I think, quite a bit.
So the learning over the past few months was just that the fatality rate for say relatively healthy people under 50 without risk factors is 50 times lower than say someone over 60 or someone who has risk factors. And so I'm not being reckless, but I'm willing to kind of re-engage in social behavior among groups of friends. And on the theory that, you know, all my friends have been locked down, I was in total lockdown for two months, some of my friends. And so, you know...

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:39)
I have several questions. The first is, I mean, how old are you? You look like 90, roughly. How old are you exactly? Exactly. So, how did the risk factors apply to you? Second, you have friends.
Both of these things.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:53)
Well, we know there's three on this call.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:55)
Oh, Sacksy Poo, I love you.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:56)
I miss you.

**David Sacks** (2:57)
Yeah, no, I mean, you raise a good point. I mean, my physical age might be 90, but my lungs are only 48 years old. And so, hopefully, my lungs are, you know, qualify in that under 50 category.
So, you know, I've been playing golf with friends. You know, I've kind of widened the circle of people I'm willing to let into my quarantine, basically.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:22)
So by a dozen, by a hundred, how would you?

**David Sacks** (3:26)
By about, I've actually let in at not all at once, but at different times, probably about 20 people.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:33)
Got it.
So you feel comfortable. And those people, you do ask them, have you quarantined? Have you been wearing masks? Have you been tested or you're just like, you kind of?

**David Sacks** (3:44)
I mean, I generally know that people have. I mean, now this may change over the next few months, but everyone's been kind of under shelter in place. And so if you were going to start to socializing with your friends, this would be the safest time to do it, because everybody has been sort of locked down to some degree and, you know, most places have been closed. And so, you know, if your friends haven't gotten it, they're probably pretty safe.

**Jason Calacanis** (4:08)
All right. Swinging over to you, Dave Friedberg, tell me what you think of Sacks' position. Obviously, Chamath's still in quarantine, you know, venturing off to the store once in a while.
Sacks opening up to, you know, 20 people or whatever in small groups playing golf outdoors, but I'm assuming he's not having like an indoor party for 50, obviously. How would you look at the risk he's taking and what risk are you taking, Friedberg, personally in your life?