E37: NYC rejects far-left mayoral candidates, new developments in lab leak theory, Apple's breakup potential & more

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:00)
As you guys know, I get panic attacks at the dentist, but she was able to navigate me through where I didn't. I only sweat through half my shirt.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:07)
You have panic attacks at the dentist?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:09)
No, but I sweat profusely and I get very nervous.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:13)
What is that about?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:14)
We all have weaknesses, Jason. We all have weaknesses.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:17)
I never knew that.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:18)
This is my Achilles heel. My Achilles heel is a dentist.

**David Sacks** (0:20)
Really? I don't like going to the dentist either.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:23)
No, the dentist really freaks. I don't know why it freaks me out, Sacks. That's weird.

**David Sacks** (0:27)
I had a really bad experience when I was a kid, you know.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:30)
Tell us more about your childhood trauma.

**David Sacks** (0:31)
Have you ever seen the movie Marathon Man? It was kind of like that.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:36)
Is it safe?
Is it safe?
Hey everybody. Hey everybody. Welcome again to another episode of the All-In Podcast, episode 37 with us today on his noble crusade conquering Europe, Chamath Palihapitiya calls us from a castle somewhere. I don't know. I can tell by the light switches you're in Europe. And joining us again, the two AIs, AI number one, David Sacks, and AI number two, David Friedberg are here. And of course, I'm Jay Cal. Do we want to get right into the show or I don't know, Chamath, if you want to talk about the dueling AIs in the group chat, debating the nature of the pod.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:33)
I mean, one guy told the other guy or one robot told the other robot to fuck off.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:39)
This is what we know. It's the singularity.

**SPEAKER_3** (1:41)
It's when the robots are arguing with each other.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:44)
See, you don't even know because you don't have any emotions. You told Friedberg to fuck off.

**David Sacks** (1:49)
Oh, that's kind of true.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:51)
Fairness to say, he was drinking a beverage with 14% alcohol content.

**David Sacks** (2:00)
No, I think the format of the pod is working and I don't think we need to turn it on its head. That's all.

**David Friedberg** (2:06)
I think my...
I'm so tired and out of it right now, but let's do it. Just for the listener's benefit, on our little group text where we do our incredibly well-prepped rehearsal for this show by texting each other maybe for four minutes a week the night before the show.

**SPEAKER_3** (2:28)
And insult each other for three hours.

**David Friedberg** (2:31)
Mostly other stuff is covered over the group chat. But we were debating, maybe throwing in a spin and doing a little group Q&A format. Sacks doesn't like it.
And we were joking with Sacks that he loves getting his soundbites in and then turning them into little short soundbite video clips with his BFF, Henry Belcaster and putting them on Twitter and promoting them around the internet. And my point of view was I don't think that this show should be about getting to the soundbite, that this show should be about something very different, which is elevating a conversation and creating the context for people to make decisions on their own. And that is to give people multiple points of view and all of the data and consideration when there's a big topic or big debate underway.
And it's too easy for us to take a soundbite and then use that as the narrative to try and influence people to do things or to have a point of view. And I think that is largely the problem we've broadly had in the Twitter social media era is we are very reductionist. We bring things down to kind of a one sentence or 140 character statement. And then we use that as an emotional pivot point for people to get them to go on one side or the other side, as opposed to recognizing that many of the topics we address are that is the way things are done. I get it.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:49)
And here is Sacks' response.
That is a valid point, Friedberg. However, humans all need to be led. They are sheeple. We need to tell the sheeple what to think and to get Tucker Carlson into office.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (4:01)
Jason, I would like to cut to a segment, a new segment that I call Chamath Does a Dramatic Reading. So, Friedberg did say this.

**Jason Calacanis** (4:14)
And now, a dramatic reading from the group chat.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (4:16)
I will be playing all characters, starting with myself.