E33: Apple's hypocrisy, America's math failure, crypto's regulatory correction, Clubhouse's future, UFOs & more

**Jason Calacanis** (0:00)
Friedberg, Friedberg, what's up?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:02)
It seems like you have a piece of shit on the side of your mouth, or is that a birthmark? Oh, no, that's a birthmark.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:10)
Did you record that? Yeah, absolutely.
Look at this guy. He takes his shirt off for one fucking selfie, and now everybody who's fat and pal on the show, the other three of us, is going to be ridiculed.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:23)
I'm having steak tonight, as TEAK tonight.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:26)
I'm lifting twice a week now. Come on, Sacks, come get some. Let's fucking go.
Hey, everybody. Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of the All-In Podcast with me again, The Dictator himself, Chamath Palihapitiya. Rain Man, David Sacks. Definitely with us. Definitely a great driver. His dad lets him drive in the driveway. And, of course, everybody's favorite, the Queen of Kenwa, the science conductor himself, David Friedberg. Queen, Queen, Queen, Queen.
A lot of activity online. It's been a little bit of chaos since we all got together here.
I guess we should talk about this Apple story with Antonio García-Martinez. You may have heard that he was hired by Apple to, I guess, run their ad efforts. And I have a little bit of information on kind of what he was going to do there in terms of ads, which is really interesting.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:42)
But tell us, tell us, tell us, tell us. OK, well, anyway, you know how we're basically start at the beginning and assume people don't know who Antonio García-Martinez is.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:51)
Antonio García-Martinez was a Facebook developer. He is some really smart guy who uses a lot of big words and wrote a book called Chaos Monkeys, which is a great book where he takes a very Jack Kerouac kind of, you know, a lot of pros. And he wrote this book about his time at Facebook. The problem is he said some things in the book that would be five years later problematic. At the time, they were actually considered problematic by some folks. And in the full quote, maybe less problematic, but he was essentially ousted because of the following problematic quote.
The quote is, Most women in the Bay Area are soft and weak, cosseted and naive, despite their claims of worldliness and generally full of shit. They have their self regarding entitlement, feminism and ceaselessly vaunt their independence. But the reality is come the epidemic plague or foreign invasion, they become precisely the sort of useless baggage you trade for a box of shotgun shells or a jerry can of diesel.
And they shorten that quote to be that most women are soft and weak and full of shit. So in context, in this book, he was contrasting the Bay Area women he had dated with the mother of his kids, who he describes as strong and tall and tough and amazing. But still the quotes a little gnarly and the quote, you know, when it's out of context becomes particularly gnarly. And of course, this led to a petition at Apple, which then led to him being fired, which now is going to lead to him probably getting a $10 million settlement. Of course, there's a lot of hypocrisy being brought up here because Apple has allegedly been using or Apple supply chain has slave labor in it from the Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities.
And obviously, Apple gave Dr. Dre billions of dollars for beats by Dre. And he has an even more misogynistic series of lyrics and was also accused of physically assaulting, I believe, his wife and other people he dated. Who?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (4:22)
Dr. Dre?

**Jason Calacanis** (4:23)
Dr. Dre, yeah. So anyway, what do you think?
Okay, there you go. Next story.

**David Sacks** (4:34)
No, I'm happy to jump into this.
I think, Jason, I think you're you're you focus a little bit too much. I saw your your pod with Zach Kolias on this.
A lot of good takes, but I think you're a little too focused on what AGM as I think it's easier to call him by his initials, what he did as opposed to what the employees at Apple did.
And there is at least four things that Apple did or five things that Apple did wrong. I mean, number one, I think there was a really good reason not to hire this guy, which is that he wrote a bestselling tell-all book about the last big tech company he worked at. So if you're a big tech company, why in the world would you hire him? So that was stupid decision number one. But they did decide to hire him. And once they hire him, they got to treat him like any other employee and give him a chance to show what he can do. And so that leads to mistake number two, which is these 2000 employees who signed this petition really distorted and took out of context that passage. And I know the passage is cringe. Okay. And gnarly. And it could certainly appear sexist. But you have to put it in its context. And the larger, this is a work of literature. This is a bestselling book. It's 150,000 words or taking 150 words out of context.