E21: Media misalignment, subjects controlling narratives & more with bestie guestie Draymond Green

**Jason Calacanis** (0:48)
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**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:20)
Really good. Really, really good.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:21)
Wow, look at that enthusiasm.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:23)
Really great. No, I think we had an intermittent, Saxie Poo is not apparently, you know, with all these, with all his weak Beak wedding, he hasn't had time to pay the internet bill.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:35)
You can go ahead and upgrade your DSL from 56 kilobits. I think you can afford it. Okay.

**David Friedberg** (1:41)
He's hit his bandwidth limit because he was watching himself on Tucker over and over again this morning.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:48)
I do need to say this, that yesterday we do have firsthand evidence that David Sacks, after appearing on Tucker Carlson, then spent the next hour watching himself appear on Tucker Carlson.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:59)
Literally got up from the poker table.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:02)
My gosh.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:02)
He refused to play poker with his besties because he had to watch himself on less than six times on Tucker.

**David Friedberg** (2:10)
It must have been 20, 30 times, no headphones, just listening to the iPhone, looking at it.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:16)
Holding it up to his ear just so he doesn't miss a word, optimizing his performance. What was it like to go on Fox News? Was this a dream for you, Sacks? Is this a bucket list?

**David Sacks** (2:26)
See, Jason, this is why you're such a scumbag because I asked you guys, I said, Hey, like Tucker shows invited me on, should I go? And you guys are like, yeah, yeah, it'll be great for ratings for the pod. You should definitely do it. And then after I do it, the first thing you guys say when I walk in the room is, Oh my God, you went on Tucker?
How right wing are you? Do you realize that all your deal flow just got canceled?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:55)
By the way, that was the funniest part. Jason had premeditated basically getting you to appear on Tucker. So as to impugn you and destroy you.

**David Sacks** (3:05)
Jacob goes, Oh, I'm going to get all your deals now. Yum, yum.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:07)
All is fair when it comes to early stage deal flow.

**David Sacks** (3:13)
Yeah. And then he starts tweeting, you know, he's like the first one to show a photo of me split screen with Tucker.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:20)
I was waiting. I was, I was literally watching it.

**David Friedberg** (3:23)
It's time for the great takedown.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:24)
Actually, you did, in all seriousness, you did great.
I think it was worth doing.
And he framed it as, I don't know if people saw it, you can look up Tucker Carlson, Bestie, David Sacks. It'll come up number one. And he said you were essentially taking a very liberal classic liberal point of view. So he basically set the stage for you to not be a far right wing nut case. You were actually defending liberal principles of people should have the ability to have freedom of speech. Why don't you talk about what it was like?

**David Sacks** (3:58)
Yeah, I mean, so you're right. I mean, he made the connection and the comparison to Net Hentoff, who was like the famous ACLU free speech lawyer. And I really appreciated that because I do very much see myself in that mold of somebody like Hentoff.
He wrote a book called Free Speech for Me But Not for The, sort of a famous line, because everybody wants free speech for themselves and their allies, but they want to deny it to people they disagree with.
And, you know, they never seem to realize that censorship is a problem until it gets turned against them. And so, you know, the point I made about these Reddit kids who are censored is that, look, this was not what they there was some raunchy speech in their message board. We all know that. But it was no different than any trading floor, trading pit or boiler room on Wall Street. It's the same kind of language. Yet they were taken down and censored by Discord for hate speech. Why? Because they became very threatening to, you know, powerful insiders. And, you know, but how many of those those Reddit kids saw it as a problem when, you know, Trump or his supporters got or Parler got deplatformed a few weeks ago. They could never have imagined that that same censorship principle could ever get turned against them.