E173: Google buying HubSpot? FTX depositors not made whole, AI job fears, Ukraine joining NATO

**Jason Calacanis** (0:00)
All right, everybody, welcome back to the All-In Podcast, the number one podcast in the world, episode 173
It's objectively Friedberg, the number one podcast. I checked, I looked online. And things are cooking over here, so much so that you may have heard we hired a new CEO. Welcome to the team, our new fifth bestie, Jon Haile.
Golf clap, everybody. Let's get in there with a golf clap, yes. All right, Jon, welcome to the program. Your first day was April 1st. It wasn't a joke, literally was your first day. How has week one as CEO for All-In been?

**Jon Haile** (0:40)
It has been wonderful, super dynamic, really happy to be a part of the team.

**Jason Calacanis** (0:45)
All right, there you have it.
Sacks, you were a huge driver of this. You spent so much time interviewing everybody, going through the resumes, checking the references. You really spearheaded this. Oh wait, you did nothing, I forgot.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:59)
Sacks, Sacks, it's spelled J-O-N. Jon.

**David Sacks** (1:03)
Wait, who is this?

**Jason Calacanis** (1:04)
Sacks is Jon. Okay, you guys haven't met.

**David Sacks** (1:08)
Jon, David Sacks, David Sacks, Jon. Nice to meet you.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:29)
So Jon worked at the Russian embassy. This is just a coincidence that there are a couple of Russian references, but he worked as an intern for Putin. Somehow he wound up getting a gig. Friedberg, you actually led the incredible search here. We had hundreds of people apply. Why do you think we wound up with Mr. Haile here? Yeah, we had a lot of folks and we met with a lot of folks, but Jon really stood out with, I think, his experience and his thoughtfulness about what we can do. So much of our work off the show obviously has gone into putting on the All-In Summit, and we want to do more live events, and Jon has a very strong background in building incredible live experiences and events, which we think is going to be a really important extension.
I think we realized over the last two summits how much community matters for All-In, and how much getting people together matters, and how much the live content mattered, and so we want to do more of that, and hopefully Jon can take us to the promised land. Fantastic. Jon, thanks for saying yes. It's awesome to have you. All right. As Jon's first duty, he is going to, next week, announce the details of the All-In Summit 2024, our third edition. Chairman-Dictator Chamath Palihapitiya, you've been running All-In with an iron fist in the group chat.
Your thoughts on Jon and working with him, and why we selected him.
The iron fist, please go.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:00)
I think that there's a really important trend that we have stumbled into, which is that content creators are the modern form of demand generation for whatever else it is that you're going to consume. And I think it replaces advertising, and I think it displaces traditional content.
And so, I was really interested in finding somebody that understood how to connect those dots in all of the different ways in which we can explore what our brand is capable of, and I thought he was the best example of having done one thing extremely well at scale, and curious enough to figure out the other parts. So, I'm really excited to work with Jon.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:46)
Yeah.
And I'll just add to that, I've been doing events my whole life, and when I saw Jon's actual event history and the events you've thrown, Jon, really spectacular in the detail. And I think you're going to, the same way Friedberg leveled up year two of the conference, I'm really excited to see how you put your stamp on it and level up year three. A couple of housekeeping things here.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (4:07)
By the way, sorry, can I say one thing just to build on what you said?
There is so much room to build real communities, and I think people are just so tired and bored with everything online. So, I think offline experiences will be a huge value add in people's lives.

**Jason Calacanis** (4:30)
Yeah, there's definitely a bridge from online to offline, and the All-In meetups that Ray's been hosting.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (4:37)
The best example at scale of online to offline are dating apps, and all I can see is that's a pretty dissatisfying experience for a lot of people. And so, outside of dating apps, there aren't many really great examples where like-minded people can hang out and have fun and talk, learn, party.

**Jason Calacanis** (5:01)
It's really interesting you bring this up. I just finished Jon Haile's new book, The Anxious Generation. I don't know if you've listened to it, but there's a pair of books out right now, Bad Therapy, and this one about kids. And the premise of this book, Chamath, is screen time, as you referred to people being online, not only is it bad for kids and adults, it's also blocking, to your point, real world connection. And so we all want a little more real world connection. And so, Jon, welcome to the team.