E16: Reflecting on the riots at the US Capitol, plus: Georgia runoff elections, vaccine distribution & more

**Jason Calacanis** (1:06)
Alright, and we're back! And thank you to Young Spielberg with the All-In 1.5 Extended Edition Remix. We're going all in.
Thank you to the super fans.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:19)
That was really incredible, actually.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:20)
We're back. Thanks, Young Spielberg.
Yeah. Shout out Young Spielberg with us, the dictator Chamath Palihapitiya, the Rain Man himself, David Sacks is definitely an excellent driver, and his dad lets him drive in the driveway, and the queen of quinoa, spectacular David Friedberg is with us. We did an emergency pod. We just had all agreed. We're taking a nice break. Nothing's going to happen over the new year. This is the down period. And 2021 is going to be delightful and simple.
And then all hell breaks loose. We could start with the vaccine. We could start with the Capitol. We could start with Georgia.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (1:59)
No, we have to start. We have to start. We have to start with the Capitol.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:02)
We have to start with the Capitol. All right. So let me just run through the series of events that occur here. There's a certification process, correct, Sacks, that goes on, where the Electoral College gets counted.
And somewhere at 10 a.m. Trump had a rally of thousands of supporters. You were not there, David, correct? You weren't at this rally.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:23)
He was in, quote, unquote, Miami.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:25)
Right.
I think he's in the Miami Hilton on Pennsylvania Avenue right now, and he put up that fake Miami background. But the truth is, let's be honest here, Trump came out at 10 a.m. and had a rally.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:41)
Jason, can we just take a stop back for a second? Doesn't David Sacks look like Elliot Gould in Ocean's Eleven right now? I mean, he's so Elliot Gould.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:52)
He is a Silver Fox. And are you, I mean, you were very public about being in Miami over the New Year. You took your talents to Miami. And we see this background.
So we can assume the dictators in his pool house poker room. We know that Friedberg's in a Ritz-Carlton somewhere based on the furniture. He's in his Ritz-Carlton office. And Sacks, based on your background, are you in Miami right now?

**David Sacks** (3:17)
Yeah.
Yeah, I'm still here. Okay, but did you meet with the mayor or not? I actually met him. I did meet him. I went to a tech event the other night and he was there.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:31)
Were you wearing masks at the tech event or not?

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:32)
Were you wearing a mask?

**David Sacks** (3:33)
Mask or no mask? There were masks. I wanted to know.
No, no, no. I'll tell you. There were masks indoors and then there was COVID testing inside and then you could graduate to the outdoor patio part where people generally weren't wearing masks.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:48)
So were you in conversations with people with no masks on? Is that what you're saying at this?

**David Sacks** (3:52)
Yeah, but you know, everyone's been like COVID tested like a zillion times and it was outdoors and you know, I'm willing to meet with people outdoors. You know, I generally don't do it indoors but I'm, I'm, I've said that's my policy starting several months ago.

**David Friedberg** (4:08)
David, can we rewind to April with that photo of Sacks? Do we have it where he was in the ski mask and the goggles and the helmet and like the biohazard suit and like how things have changed? He's like, I'll go to Miami and have a chat with someone.

**David Sacks** (4:21)
You could definitely do how it started and how it's going, split photo for it.

**David Friedberg** (4:30)
But look, you're sharing a banana split with someone.

**Jason Calacanis** (4:33)
He's literally on eBay and Alibaba buying ventilators for his home triage center.

**David Sacks** (4:42)
Well, we had people from the WHO saying in March that the infection fatality rate was like 7%. And the two big things we learned after that were number one, that there was a huge distribution by age.
And so somebody under 50 without comorbidities had a much, much, much lower risk. And then also the thing we learned is that there's maybe a 10x difference between the infection fatality rate and the case fatality rate. I mean, you guys know all this. Yeah. So once we learned those things, I think a rational person takes things like that into account, I changed my policy with respect to COVID, you know, and now especially that we have, you know, easy access to tests, which weren't available. You can get tested before going into an event.