Dr. Peter Attia - The Portfolio to Live Longer

**Patrick O'Shaughnessy** (0:00)
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**Patrick O'Shaughnessy** (1:42)
My guest this week is Dr. Peter Attia. I've had Peter on the show twice before, but it's been more than five years since his last appearance.
In that period, his work has exploded and today he's one of the clear leaders on the topic and practice of longevity and health span. He has a new book out called Outlive, which I heartily recommend. You'll hear us refer to the last chapter of his book early in our conversation, but we chose not to reveal the whole story live so you can read and enjoy it. Also, if you want more of the nitty gritty tactical stuff from Peter, I highly recommend his recent podcast episode with Tim Ferriss.
In our conversation, we highlight the big picture, including the transition from medicine 2 to medicine 3.0. I always leave these conversations with Peter full of ideas and in this case, highly motivated to go outside and move my body in nature. I can think of no better actionable advice. Please enjoy my conversation with Peter Attia.
Peter, I have been so excited to do this with you. If you can believe it, both of the prior times we've done this were actually in person, which means they were both pre-COVID, which is kind of a gnarly thing to imagine how much time has passed, but it's so nice to see you again. I so enjoyed your book that came out a few weeks ago. I think it's one of these books that will still be read in 10 years and teaching people about health and longevity and how to live. As I thought about framing our conversation, a mantra that my friend Sam Hincky shared with me keeps coming to my mind, and I think it might make for interesting architecture for our discussion. So the mantra is strong body, calm mind, house full of love. And I would love to take that outline with you in discussing all that you've learned. But before we get into strong body, I'd love to just understand how you personally have changed in the process of writing this book. I know it was an ordeal. You restarted it a number of times. You worked incredibly hard on it over a period of years.
What did the process of writing the book do to change you most?

**Peter Attia** (3:35)
Great question. Before I answer it though, I do want to give a shout out to you Patrick, because you are definitely one of probably three people that had the greatest impact on me starting a podcast. So both times that you interviewed me and I sat down with you were not only pre-COVID, they must have been pre-2018.
Yeah, I started that podcast in 2018 almost exactly five years ago. And I remember both times very well that we sat down together and you constantly said, Peter, you really should be doing a podcast. And I had a hundred reasons for not doing it. And I don't know why on the nth time of your nudging, I said, okay, you know what, Patrick, introduce me to the guy, Matthew Patsy, who is your producer and does your podcast. And I'll at least entertain the idea. And of course, here we are five years later, still working with Matthew, thanks to your introduction. So it's actually not clear to me I would be doing a podcast were it not for you. And I can tell you then from a process perspective, this book would be a fraction of what it is if not for the podcast. In other words, the podcast is basically the vehicle that is a forcing function for my learning.