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Don’t Get Trapped! How to Beat the Narcissist At Their Own Game with Divorce Attorney Rebecca Zung | Part 1 (Fan Fave) artwork

Don’t Get Trapped! How to Beat the Narcissist At Their Own Game with Divorce Attorney Rebecca Zung | Part 1 (Fan Fave)

Women of Impact

October 5, 2026

What up homie! I’ve got a powerful two-part episode that’s going to expose everything you need to know before you negotiate your time, your affection, or your peace of mind with a narcissist.

Speakers Lisa Bilyeu, Rebecca Zung

TopicsRelationshipsSociety & CultureEducation

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Lisa Bilyeu (0:52)

What up my homie Lisa Bilyeu here with another freaking amazing powerful two part episode that's going to expose the secrets you should know about you negotiating your time, your affection and your peace of mind with a toxic partner.

Now today we have a top globally recognized attorney that's actually specializing in narcissistic negotiations so she's joining us right now to spill the tea. Now not only is it important that you spot the red flags personally and professionally, it's also freaking dangerous when you actually miss them and Rebecca Zung is telling us exactly how to spot the narcissist hiding among us and get what you need and what you want out of them. Now in this first part we're actually turning the tables and learning how to ethically manipulate the manipulator and guys you're going to absolutely love this. This is for my homies aiming for success and balance in life that need to learn how to navigate a toxic partner at home and in the corporate world because when you know their game you can actually play it to win. You can stop letting people walk over you, stop letting them push you around and actually know how to approach the situation with your freaking power.

Rebecca Zung (2:06)

Narcissists don't attach themselves to people because they have so little value. They attach themselves to you because you have so much value and they've gaslit you into believing that you don't have value.

It's the biggest scam of the world. The truth of the matter is that they will take themselves down to take you down.

Lisa Bilyeu (2:35)

You talk about how to ethically manipulate a manipulator with a phrase that you called Slay. What is Slay? How we break that down and how we can use it to actually take our power back?

Rebecca Zung (2:48)

Yeah. So Slay actually is an acronym that I came up with so that people can remember it. And you start off with having a strategy. I know people want to go right to L, which is leverage. They're like, give me leverage, right? But you really have to have a strategy. And strategy is where you create a vision. And where am I going with this? That's your GPS. I call that your North Star.

And then that becomes your focus for the entire thing, and in the negotiation. And then you can create your leverage. And then A is anticipating what the other side is going to be doing the entire time and being two steps ahead of them. And then Y stands for you, focusing on you being on the offensive, and also your mindset. And 100% of winning is believing that you can, and believing that you have the power to win. So many people, they feel, you know, when I tell them, start with a strategy, and I say, where do you want to go with this?

They go, well, I want them to stop.

They're getting away with all their lies. They're doing this, they're doing that. It's so hard for people to stop looking at the other side and what they're doing. And they can't even think about what it is that they want because they're just so in the defensive mode all the time. They've been so conditioned to be in this place of defense constantly.

And, you know, and it's normal. It is so normal. And that is the one thing that, and I always say normal in the sense that it's familiar. It's familiar to be conditioned to be in this place. And, you know, I talk about in the book that, you know, you're in trauma, you know, a lot of times. And so to stop and give yourself grace and understand that that is where you are. But to think about what it is that you want is so, so important. Because if you can't be really, really clear about what it is that you want, then you can't go there. It's sort of like going and sitting in your car and thinking about, okay, where am I driving? And you have no idea where you're going. You're not gonna be able to get there. So, you've got to be really, really clear about what you want in a negotiation or you're not gonna be able to get there. And so, I know so many times when you're in a toxic situation, now, and I'm talking about professionally or personally.

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