DOGE updates + Liberation Day Tariff Reactions with Ben Shapiro and Antonio Gracias

**David Friedberg** (0:00)
Just so you know, everything is archived by the White House right now, so everything we say is recorded.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:04)
David Friedberg is a f***ing c***.

**David Friedberg** (0:06)
Chamath, stop. You're being recorded.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:08)
Good. I will hope this is discoverable.
There, White House. I just want you to know that.

**SPEAKER_3** (0:14)
Stupid.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:15)
Also, he did not pay his taxes in 2016

**David Friedberg** (0:23)
You really want me to start? You want me to start? You want me to put some sh** in the archives?
Here, let me put some sh** in the archives for you. I'm going to pee my pants. I think you need to shut the f*** up, is what you need to do. Sorry, White House.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (0:34)
I'm going to pee my pants. He also has some unpaid parking tickets for 2021

**David Friedberg** (0:40)
Do you want me to start with you?

**Jason Calacanis** (0:58)
All right, everybody, welcome back to the number one podcast in the world with me again today, Chamath Palihapitiya, your chairman dictator, David Friedberg, our Sultan of Science, and two guests, obviously, Ben Shapiro, very famous for having the number two podcast in the world. How are you, Ben?

**Ben Shapiro** (1:15)
I'm doing great. I'm just honored to be here, you know.

**Jason Calacanis** (1:17)
Yes. More work to do. You can exceed All-In in the rankings. No, we always judge ourselves, Ben, on three things. In the rankings, when we look at how we're doing, what we see is Ben Shapiro, prayer from the Bible, okay?
The New Testament, I don't think you've got it yet. You have the Old Testament, but you haven't gotten the new, you haven't gotten the sequel. And then number three, murder. Also with us from the White House. Yeah. Welcome to All-In, where we have a live feed into the White House today. My good friend, Antonio Gracias is here. He is taking, I guess you're taking, would it be safe to say a hiatus or you're from Valor to do a little tour of duty in our government, working on DOGE? Is that the way to say it?

**Antonio Gracias** (2:05)
I'm still doing my day job too, man. This is a seven day a week, six days an hour day job because I'm trying to do both. I've got some great partners are covering it for me and my firm has been tremendous in allowing me to do this. But I'm still trying to do both.

**David Friedberg** (2:20)
Was it public prior to this week, Antonio, that you were doing this role? Did you announce it anywhere where people were aware?

**Antonio Gracias** (2:26)
I didn't announce it anywhere. No, the New York Times, they wrote a story about me going to SSA, you know, which is sort of New York Times style. Not right, but I was, I had been there. Yeah, I was out in Maryland.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:37)
40% correct. Close enough.

**Antonio Gracias** (2:39)
Close enough for Hangerdines.

**Jason Calacanis** (2:40)
Close enough. I'm sure they had no agenda.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (2:42)
Antonio, how does it work? So when you volunteered, is it that you and Elon and Steve just kind of figure out, let's put a senior person at every part of the administration where there's real opportunity? Why did you end up at SSA versus someplace else?

**Antonio Gracias** (2:58)
Interesting question, Chamath. And by the way, it's great to see you guys, man. Thanks for having me on. I can use your laughs. You're really making me laugh.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:03)
We're really proud of you, man. Thank you.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:06)
It's good to see you.

**Antonio Gracias** (3:06)
Thank you.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:07)
The suit looks great, by the way.

**Antonio Gracias** (3:09)
Thank you.

**Jason Calacanis** (3:10)
When do you have to return it?

**Antonio Gracias** (3:12)
The rental is due at the end of the week. So you know what happened was I had actually volunteered to go to the VA because that's kind of, as you guys know, close to my heart. And Elon said to me, look, great, you can do that next, but will you go to SSA first and see what's going on there? Because it's the biggest internal problem we have. And see what you find in fraud, waste and abuse. And so of course I said, sure, I'll do that. And I ended up on Woodland, Maryland, with the good people at the SSA, the Social Security Administration. And that's where I started.
That's how all this started for me.

**Chamath Palihapitiya** (3:43)
And so do you, Antonio, go in there with a DOGE engineer as your kind of sidekick per se, or you just go there solo and you show up and like, what happens day one when you walk in into the place? What do you do?