Did Jesus Go to Hell?

SPEAKER_1 (0:00)

I can say to my new Samsung Galaxy S25 Ultra, hey, find a keto-friendly restaurant nearby and text it to Beth and Steve. And it does without me lifting a finger, so I can get in more squats anywhere I can. One, two, three.

Dan Beecher (0:14)

Will that be cash or credit?

SPEAKER_1 (0:16)

Credit, four.

SPEAKER_3 (0:18)

Galaxy S25 Ultra, the AI companion that does the heavy lifting so you can do you. Get yours at samsung.com. Compatible with select apps requires Google Gemini account results may vary based on input check responses for accuracy.

SPEAKER_4 (0:30)

This Presidents Day, upgrade the look of your home without breaking your budget. Save up to 50% site-wide on new window treatments at blinds.com. blinds.com makes it easy with free virtual consultations on your schedule and samples delivered to your door, fast and free. With over 25 million windows covered and a 100% satisfaction guarantee, you can count on blinds.com to deliver results you'll love. Shop Blinds.com's President's Day Megasale now for up to 50% off-site-wide. blinds.com. Rules and restrictions may apply.

Dan McClellan (1:01)

Today you will be with me in Paradise, Luke 23 43 He did not say, I will see you in hell. I'm going to not, you know.

Dan Beecher (1:07)

Yeah.

Dan McClellan (1:08)

That would be a weird thing for Jesus to...

Dan Beecher (1:11)

That would be so much better though if Jesus turns to the guy on the other cross and goes, I'll see you in hell.

Dan McClellan (1:22)

Hey, everybody. I'm Dan McClellan.

Dan Beecher (1:24)

And I'm Dan Beecher.

Dan McClellan (1:25)

And you're listening to the Data Over Dogma podcast, where we increase public access to the academic study of the Bible and religion, and we combat the spread of misinformation about the same. How are things today, Dan?

Dan Beecher (1:38)

Things are great. It's a beautiful day in the neighborhood. And we get to learn some interesting stuff. So I'm kind of excited to talk about it.

Dan McClellan (1:50)

Oh, I just thought of this. Sorry to interrupt, but I thought it might be fun to bring up here. I have received two very cool pieces of news over the last two days. The first one was the other day, the Society of Biblical Literature sent out its annual Society Report. And there was an article that was a spotlight on my work. And the article's title was Stitch Incoming. Yes, I saw that. And I remember doing this interview a few weeks ago. It was a fun interview. I really thought that article was fun. But then this morning, I got an email from somebody's name I didn't recognize. But he's like, hey, I'm the editor of Biblical Theology Review. And I was like, oh, I recognize that journal. And he's like, just wanted to let you know we're about to release this new issue. I attached a PDF of it for you. But the essay that I have introducing the issue all about public scholarship uses you as the model for what public Biblical scholarship could look like.

And I was like, what? So I thought that was really cool. So I'm not trying to toot my own horn or anything.

Dan Beecher (3:02)

Oh no, toot away, toot away.

Dan McClellan (3:03)

But I got some pretty cool pieces of news. So I was really excited about both those things.

Dan Beecher (3:09)

I think that's really cool. I love it, I love it.

Dan McClellan (3:14)

Yeah, I've managed to deceive everyone into thinking I'm an actual scholar, but I cannot, apart from a handful of dudes on social media who can see right through the facade. Yeah, yeah, some of them have me pegged. I'm a fake scholar from head to toe.

Dan Beecher (3:34)

But we don't even know if those diplomas that you've shown everybody are even real. I could print up a diploma.

Dan McClellan (3:43)

You can evidently just pay somebody to send you a fake one, according to some guy on Instagram who has a pseudonym, and has a picture of an eagle and an American flag or something in their profile photo.

Dan Beecher (3:59)

Well, listen, I can just photoshop a thing that says that I've got a degree from Oxford. That's not hard.

Dan McClellan (4:06)

But it's embossed. It's got a gold leaf on it.

Dan Beecher (4:10)

Well, then there's no way I can do it. Now I'm out of luck. Yeah. Getting myself onto their website would be a harder thing to do. I will say that. All right. Let's dive in here. We got two interesting topics that are kind of related to each other that we're going to go through.