DEI Wars, Trump's Bible & The Masculinity Vote - Ryan Long - #857

**Chris Williamson** (0:00)
Hello everybody, welcome back to the show. My guest today is Ryan Long. He's a comedian, writer and a filmmaker. The world feels like a comedy goldmine right now, from the upcoming election and DEI backlash, to bizarre trends like Japanese and Indian fetish porn, P Diddy conspiracy theories, Hawk Tuah memes, and Florida men doing Florida man things. obviously, we need an expert like Ryan to help make sense of everything. Expect to learn why companies that embrace DEI are rolling back their support. The hottest Google search trends when you type My husband wants... in. Japanese men's recent obsession with tickle porn, Ryan's thoughts on Kamala and Trump making the rounds on podcasts, and much more. People of australia, I'm flying to your country this week. I may be in the air right now as you're listening to this, and you can come and see me on stage next week. Brisbane is completely sold out, but Melbourne on Friday the 8th of November, and Sydney on Saturday the 9th of November still have tickets. VIP is sold out at both venues, but you can still get general access. It's going to be awesome. I'm going to be on stage with James Smith. I will be inside of you for the first time ever, australia. Then you can come and watch and see James as well. Anyway, go to chriswilliamson.live.australia to get your tickets now. But now, ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Ryan Long.

**Ryan Long** (1:39)
I probably would never do this on a podcast, but I made a couple notes of things I'm gonna say. Oh, yeah. Well, because you're probably one of the most people that you kind of remind me of some of my closest friends in Homeward, it's always trying to get to the bottom of something, you know what I mean? So I felt like I have a couple of good theories that-

**Chris Williamson** (1:56)
Oh, I fucking love this, you came prepared.

**Ryan Long** (1:58)
Yeah, also, well, we've talked about this already, but I said your stuff that you post, a lot of times feels very much directed for me. I'm the one target audience.

**Chris Williamson** (2:09)
Being seen, what was one of the ones that's happened with you?

**Ryan Long** (2:13)
Probably the most ever is because the idea that you can't always just hard work your way out of a problem. And I think you become so accustomed to this is how I excel over people. And then you're like, well, everyone's talented at a certain level. And then also these problems aren't that. And then on top of that, adding creativity into that is even worse, right? because sometimes stand up, it almost feels silly when I'm just like, what might be the work? Is like, you need to just sit there and think.

**Chris Williamson** (2:47)
Yep, stare at the ceiling for a while.

**Ryan Long** (2:49)
Yeah, you're like, this is crazy, right?

**Chris Williamson** (2:51)
Yep, yeah.

**Ryan Long** (2:52)
Yeah, so, but you have to. And then you're like, well, how do you rationalize all those things of like, I'm trying to work hard, but at the same time, this isn't a problem that just requires more work.

**Chris Williamson** (3:03)
I think creativity is one of these really unique domains that sits outside of like, there's very few problems in life that working harder won't make a bit better.

**Ryan Long** (3:12)
Yeah.

**Chris Williamson** (3:12)
But one of them.

**Ryan Long** (3:13)
But you've used it a lot of times, you've maxed that out, I guess.

**Chris Williamson** (3:15)
Yeah, you're already foot to the floor, going as hard as you can.

**Ryan Long** (3:18)
Yeah, that's not the issue. You're not like lazy, right?

**Chris Williamson** (3:20)
So I've been trying to write this for ages, and I'll see if this makes sense to you. So I've been thinking about, you know, type A people and type B people. So people that are sort of insecure overachievers that work too hard, and then the sort of lazy people that need to get off the couch. I've been really trying to sort of work this out. So type A problems, type B problems. I think type A people have a type B problem, and type B people have a type A problem. Insecure overachievers need to learn how to chill out and relax, and lazy people need to learn how to work harder and be disciplined. Given that you subscribe to me, I'm going to guess you're a type A person, a kind of walking anxiety disorder harnessed for productivity, as Andrew Wilkinson says.
Type A people get no sympathy because a miserable but outwardly successful person always appears to be in a much more preferential position than a type B person being lazy but on the verge of bankruptcy. Goggins and Hormozzi style advice reliably makes everyone more successful in the only way that you can get judged, outwardly, but there aren't many issues in life which can't be solved by just working harder a little bit, so everyone just smashes it with a hammer. But for a certain, perhaps minority cohort of people, they actually need to hear the opposite. We need like a parasympathetic Goggins, like hashtag rest harder than me, and that's the creativity piece.