Deebo & Joe - Part 2: Steelers Disrespecting Joey Porter Jr.? + Harbaugh on Chargers Upset Loss

James Harrison (0:01)

What kind of guarantee would you think he was worth?

Joe Haden (0:07)

With Joey Porter Jr., I think if he goes to the open market, it's a difference between what the Steelers are going to try and do and what every other team, I think, in NFL do. When we talk about guaranteed money, this is the only organization that doesn't really do it. The only dude that they've been given the guaranteed money to is TJ Watt in the past. TJ Watt has signed the four in 2021 when he signed four years, 112 million. They gave him 80 million guaranteed. In his last extension, he signed three years, 123 million with 108 million dollars guaranteed.

That is it. And TJ Watt has been first team all pros, set and sack records and all of that stuff. So he has the stats, the accolades to go with it. So I think that's the one. The next one that's got the most guaranteed is DK Metcalf, a recent deal, where DK got four years, 132 million with 60 million guaranteed. The Steelers normally only give that first year of signing bonus guaranteed contract. And then the rest of your first year basically is guaranteed from the Steelers. They give you your signing bonus and that's what your guaranteed portion is. So with Joey Porter Jr., if it's around, if they're saying 33 million for the Steelers, that's just like one year. So it's basically going to get a one year deal. And the Steelers, they normally pay it out. Cam Hayward, he signed his first deal in 2015 with six years, 59 million with 15 million guaranteed. His second deal in 2020, four years, 65 million with 26 guaranteed. So it's basically, you can get up to the two years of your contract guaranteed, but they don't do more than that. With Witherspoon, that's the first three years of his contract. Because if you're making $30 million a year, 30, 60, 90, it's right around 100, and then he has two more years left on his deal. So it's a five-year contract, with three of those years are guaranteed. So basically, Witherspoon is planning on a three-year, $100 million contract, fully guaranteed, with two years on the back end. With Joey Porter Jr., if he signs a four-year deal, the Steelers are looking like, you're signing a four-year deal, you're going to get your first year guaranteed, and in the next three years, you're on the squad, making around $25 million a year, average price per year, but it's not guaranteed. And with Joey Porter Jr., if you go to a different team, they will be able to give you those higher contracts, because teams normally do it. But the Steelers, in their history, they only give up normally the first year guaranteed, maybe two.

So with Joey Porter, his number, if you go to the open market, it's going to be right around that number you're looking for, around $90 million guaranteed, depending on the length of the contract. But with the Steelers, that's not something that they're looking to do. So it's tough. It's tough because-

James Harrison (2:54)

So where do you see his guarantee being as far as what you would do?

Joe Haden (2:58)

What I would do?

James Harrison (2:58)

A worst case scenario. What's your bottom?

Joe Haden (3:01)

Bottom line, I would go around the, if it was a four year deal, I would do four years, it would look basically like TJ. Watts' deal. I would want him to get around four years, 112 with 80 guaranteed.

James Harrison (3:16)

Okay.

Okay. So if that's the case, and they're saying it's the guarantee, 33, I don't see him signing for 33 I don't see nobody actually going to 33, especially when you look at the market right here. When I'm looking at the market right here, the last 18 months of signings from these guys, the lowest one, I think, is $70 million of a signing bonus. So that's where I would think like you would start at and just be like, yo, we're going to do 70 Yeah.

Joe Haden (3:45)

And I think even if we, I think that that's not, I think that around that number, Deebo, 70, when you're going to, that's going to be two years of the guarantee. Most teams are not going to give, the three is you're reaching.

James Harrison (3:58)

But that's us assuming that it's $33 million. It's no way, we know that's not it because he wasn't asking, he wasn't even trying to break. Like we know, we know what that is.

Like so we know already, like this 33 that's a year and some change, you know what I'm saying? And when you come down to it, it's basically a year deal, you get signed a bonus, whatever, da da da da. So he's like, yo, I'm not doing a year deal. And this 33 made me think, like, so I'm like, yo, if it's 33, let me look and start looking at the scenarios that come behind this. And it made me think when Mike McCarthy said that it's no time limit for Joey Porter's return. I think we got to sign for that too. We got to sign for that.