Decoding Trump Derangement Syndrome with Thomas Pappas & Rachel Morin

**Dr. Drew** (0:10)
Hey, welcome to The Dr. Drew Podcast, everybody. Appreciate you guys for supporting us, supporting the people that do support us as well. We can keep doing this thing. Today, I am very delighted to welcome two guests back whom I spoke to on our streaming show Ask Dr. Drew, which you can check out Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday at three o'clock. Thomas Pappas and Rachel Morin, they have a book called Trump Derangement Syndrome, which I found fascinating. Thomas is a psychometric expert, and Rachel is a psychologist. They are a husband and wife team. And they have, I asked them to come on again, because I couldn't get enough of them, as I said, the first time around. And the observations that they have made have shown to be useful and prescient, I would say. And let me just first welcome you both back to the program here.

**Thomas Pappas** (1:01)
Well, thanks so much, Dr. Drew, it's great to be back. We had a lot of fun last time we were in.

**Dr. Drew** (1:05)
It was fun. And Rachel, last time we were in, Rachel is Canadian, right? Thomas, are you Canadian also?

**Thomas Pappas** (1:10)
I have dual citizenship.

**Dr. Drew** (1:11)
Okay. So Rachel warned me, she goes, we were having a calm conversation. All of a sudden, Rachel goes, Canadians are sheep. Canadians are sheep. I tell you they are sheep. And I was like, okay, okay. I thought US citizens were sheep after COVID, but okay. And then I went up to Canada and gave a presentation in Victoria, British Columbia.
And those of you who are Canadian, understand the code of Victoria being the most woke place on the continent. And holy shit, Rachel, I didn't know what you meant till I spent a little time up there. I was like, oh, I get it. I see it.

**Rachel Morin** (1:53)
I warned you.

**Dr. Drew** (1:54)
I see it. And you know what's so funny? The way it really manifested, because beneath the superficial graciousness and kindness and niceness is a seething rage. And it comes out in very interesting ways. I was in a gym. I found a gym to work out in. And, you know, there was this older woman working out on a cable system. And she'd been there for a good 15 minutes. And I kind of slipped in and didn't even adjust her weights, didn't adjust the system in any way. I just slipped in while she was up doing something. Is she getting a drink or something? I slipped in, I did my set, and she comes back like, and this woman is super, super, super nice, super, super woke. And she comes in, what are you doing? I go, I just, I'm working in. Sorry, no problem. Didn't adjust anything, thank you. Because it's my weights. These are my weights. And I go, your weights? I'm like, holy shit. I thought this was Canada, the Canada land of Kumbaya, and sharing, and community. And I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. We work together. I'm not adjusting your weights.
I was stunned. And I was like, oh, there it is. And I thought of Rachel.

**Rachel Morin** (3:11)
Yes, actually, I warned you. And you're absolutely right. BC or British Columbia is where the woke lives.
And as you said, superficial is exactly it. It's all on the surface.

**Dr. Drew** (3:29)
But it's a passive aggression, the seething rage and contempt. It's both rage and contempt, right? That is just under the surface. And that's when it comes out, is when you dare to cross them in any way, you know? And it's so interesting that everything is everybody's and ours until you get near mine and then watch out.

**Thomas Pappas** (3:54)
Yeah, that's so true. You know, we've seen that so many times. And it's everything's fair and, you know, on the same playing field until all of a sudden you cross them, just like you said. And we're seeing that time and time again.

**Dr. Drew** (4:07)
It's in the gym. It's so crazy.

**Rachel Morin** (4:09)
Yeah, it's interesting how Americans have a different perspective of what Canadians truly are like. And my frustration is, as I said to you before, Dr. Drew, is that they are a bunch of sheep.

**Dr. Drew** (4:22)
Well, explain to me how the passive aggression, superficiality translates into the sheep behavior.
I can't quite make that connection in my head, except to confirm to themselves that that seething rage that they disavow does not make them a bad person. You know what I mean? I'm a good person, part of the community, I share. You know what I mean? Maybe it's that.