Death Row's Worst Killers In Their Own Words - Christopher Berry-Dee - #190

**Chris Williamson** (0:00)
Hi friends, welcome back. My guest today is Christopher Berry-Dee, best-selling author of the Talking with Serial Killers series, and today we are discussing his new book, Dead Men Talking, Death Row's Worst Killers in Their Own Words. Christopher has spoken to some of history's most notorious killers, including Peter Sutcliffe, Ted Bundy, Aileen Wuornos, and many more. He's literally sat face to face with some of the most heinous, terrible human beings that have ever lived. He's one of the world's most sought after and respected criminologists, and his book is required reading by the FBI's Behavioral Science Unit. On top of that, he had to download Skype to be able to do this episode. So I think this is his first ever podcast, which means we're incredibly fortunate to get to speak to one of the leading insights into the mind of serial killers that's alive today. I feel like this is fairly obvious, but this episode does contain some scenes which you might find distressing, from paedophilia to murder, cannibalism, children being burned alive, and quite a bit of other stuff. If you are feeling sensitive today, it might be an idea to go back and check out one of the other 189 beautiful episodes available on the Modern Wisdom Library. In other news, I've got an announcement. We're setting up a Patreon. If you don't know what Patreon is, it's basically a way for people to voluntarily support creators who regularly create free content. It's kind of like a tip jar to help us make more of the Modern Wisdom loveliness you enjoy by supporting the show. Modern Wisdom is free and it will always be free, but unfortunately, it's not free to run. From hosting fees to camera and lighting equipment, plus travel costs to visit guests, it's not a cheap operation. By joining our Patreon, you will get access to exclusive behind the scenes content, member only episodes, a Facebook discussion group. You can have the opportunity to even get your name shouted out on an episode and so much more. This is launching one week today, Monday, the 6th of July. We will be launching our Patreon. We've already got tons of great content that you will be able to enjoy on there. And it's just going to be exciting. You'll be able to vote on topics and guests that you want me to reach out to. It's just cool. I want to start to involve you in helping us to guide the direction of the show. And also the support, whatever you can give would be hugely appreciated. This is becoming a much bigger project than me or VideoGuideen ever anticipated. And every little helps. Information on how you can join will be on the pre-roll before next Monday's podcast and on my Instagram at ChrisWillX. So make sure that you are ready for next Monday so that you can join Patreon. There's also a bonus if you join within the first two weeks. And I'll be telling you more about that later this week. But for now, it's time to talk about Serial Killers with Christopher Berry-Dee.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back. Chris, we have wrangled technology, and we've managed to make it work. We finally got ourselves down, sat opposite each other.

**Christopher Berry-Dee** (3:21)
Correct, yeah. As I said earlier, I'm a Skype virgin.

**Chris Williamson** (3:25)
Well, there's a first time for everything. So this is gonna be this evening. So my first question for you, you've interviewed some of history's most notorious killers, people like Peter Sutcliffe and Ted Bundy, Aileen Wuornos and Dennis Nilsen and Joanne Dennehy and stuff like that. If you're out for dinner with someone new and they say, so Chris, what do you do for work? How do you describe your job?

**Christopher Berry-Dee** (3:58)
Well, it's actually a bit of a, it's great at parties or barbecues because most barbecues that I've attended in the past are sort of state agents and lawyers, golf club types. And then when they ask you with their nose up in the air, what do you do for a job? I say, I interview serial killers.
And that instantly attracts a massive crowd. And I got a lot of fun of looking at these accounts and seeing their jaws drop on the floor. It's different, isn't it?

**Chris Williamson** (4:35)
It's definitely different. Yeah. I mean, it must be, you're right, at a barbecue, it must be a very shocking thing to hear, especially just from, you know, I was prepared. I'm prepared to speak to you having done some research on your background when you were just expecting you to say, oh, well, actually, I'm the area manager for this accounting firm or I do. Yeah. I mean, I'm in law or whatever it might be. And I just speak to serial killers.