Dale Borglum: How to Live So You Can Die Without Fear

Cliff Dunning (0:12)

Welcome to Destiny. Now, here's your host, Cliff Dunning.

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It's September. Can you believe it?

Autumn is approaching. It's a hot one this week. I don't know where you're at, but it's in the high 90s here in the Northern California region of... Well, it's here. Yeah, we're getting it. It's about time we got blasted with a little bit of heat. This is your host, Cliff of Destiny, and I am continually being confounded with the research data received from my AI search.

I mentioned a while ago that I was writing a chapter on the observatory. I've written a couple of articles, one in 2017 with the engineer Jim Okan, and it was on the El Caracol, which is known as the snail by the Spanish. But it was and still is a real fascination for archaeologists and researchers alike because it is an observatory. Not just a simple observatory that we see in many of the Maya ruins around Mexico and Central America, this is a very large building built up on a major foundation platform and then topped off with a tubular observatory that has been damaged in some form of earthquake or something. But we have enough data to understand that it was used for sky watching. Now, what makes this building interesting is, in the 1920s, approximately 1925 and forward, an archaeologist named Karl Ruebert, who was a specialist in Mayan archaeology, began excavating the interior of this building and found a number of strange anomalies. The most important is that it had this spiral staircase that went into the belly of this observatory.

And also showed that it was divided into different sections. Now, there was a base section that had pen holes for sightings. And then what he reports, and this is what I write about in the book, is that the upper section which he excavated seemed to have portions peering into the sky that looked like it could have supported some kind of instrumentation. Now, I'm one who believes that the Maya had the lens, had a telescope technology. And I say that because when you look at the Dresden Codex, which is one of the four books that are left to us, and you study the Venus tables, you see cylindrical data, orbital patterns of the planet Venus, and some of the other planets like Mars and the moon. Well, to tell us that this was obtained by simple sight is a pretty big stretch. And when you study these tables, not only are they orbital patterns of a planet, but they're very close details in providing the seasons. This is very, very difficult for simple observation by standing and looking into a slot in the wall of a building. Well, what makes Ruberts work very fascinating is that he discovered some unusual shafts.

In the 2017 article that Jim and I wrote, we suggest that there was an apparatus that was attached to the front of the building that likely held optical equipment of some kind. We don't know exactly what the equipment was because there's no evidence of it. When they began excavating the observatory in late 1900s, the building was heavily eroded. In fact, it's another story. It looks like it was water eroded, and it looks like something hit it like a tsunami or something. It's very, very strange. But what's fascinating about Carl Rupert is that he not only excavated the first level, but the second level, which has the most damage done to it. And what he speculates is that one person could get up on this top observatory in this room and look out almost directly above any buildings. It's like you had these slots, is what we call them, because we don't know what they were designed for. But the slots are, again, they're long enough, deep enough, they pass through the entire wall of the observatory, and they could have supported equipment. Now, remember, we only have about 1,000 plus buildings excavated. And this is a world where there's tens of thousands still to be discovered. And I firmly believe, as do many others, that we'll find a lens, we'll find some form of sky-watching equipment, perhaps not a telescope, but some other device that allowed for sky-watching. And really, you know, you have to look closely at the Dresden and Coney Institute to realize that this is not simple sky-watching. It requires a great deal more of technology of some kind. Jim is on my side. Of course, Jim passed away about five years ago. But Jim believes in the same way I do, that there was some machinery or, I call it an apparatus, that was in play to scan the heavens. I could not have found anything about Carl Rupert if I hadn't been using my AI, what I call Watson. Not only did Watson cover Carl's excavation of the observatory, he also has field notes.