Could You Spot a Psychopath? 5 Signs Detectives Missed for 40 Years | Paul Holes - PT 2 (Fan Fave)

**Paul Holes** (0:00)
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**SPEAKER_2** (0:02)
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**Paul Holes** (0:10)
No.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:11)
How many scratchers did you hit to get that? I hit a button on carvana.com once.

**Paul Holes** (0:15)
Okay, that's fair.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:17)
It's like the lottery, except you always win.

**Paul Holes** (0:20)
Not like the lottery at all, actually.

**SPEAKER_2** (0:22)
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**Lisa Bilyeu** (1:00)
What up guys? Welcome back to part 2 of this episode of Women of Impact with the cold case investigator Paul Holes, where we're continuing to deep dive into how dangerous manipulators and predators hide in plain sight and use subtle everyday behaviors to manipulate and control you without even realizing it. Now Paul, who was the mastermind behind capturing the Golden State Killer, who went undetected for over 40 years, is breaking down exactly what these predators and manipulators and dangerous offenders do to fly under the radar. He breaks down the subtle signs that you need to be looking out for so that you can spot the manipulation before it actually gets too late and they have you under their control, which unfortunately Paul has seen way too many times being a cold case investigator. Let's dive in with the expert who knows exactly how to spot danger that's hiding in plain sight. I'm Lisa Bilyeu. Welcome to Women of Impact.
One question I actually love to go back to. When you were talking about how you were starting to put together what were lies, right? So it's like, oh, he actually wasn't driving a van, he was probably driving a motorcycle. How did you start to look at that and decipher what was true? What was him trying to put a diversion? Or what was a slip up?

**Paul Holes** (2:19)
Much of what was determined to be misdirecting statements, weren't obvious up front until we identified D'Angelo. And as an example, he makes a statement to one couple about when I was in the army, right? And so if he's misdirecting as far as possible, I'm thinking, okay, he wasn't military. That's kind of where I took it. Well, we arrest D'Angelo and he was in the military, but he was in the Navy.
And what's the biggest rivalry in the military? Army versus Navy. So he was trying to pin this on an army guy when he's out of the Navy. So something like that, you know, upfront, I wouldn't know as to is he lying or not. But pretty much once I saw him with these, where he is feeding details about himself to the victims, being in Bakersfield, being in the army as an example, I'll take you down to the American River. I'll take you down to the river, and they'll never find your body or, you know, those are the types of statements you'd make, you know, where it's like, okay, well, he knows the victims are going to tell law enforcement this. Why would he purposefully say that? Once now I'm thinking I'm dealing with somebody who's pretty intelligent here. So I pretty much said all the details that he's providing the victims that are about himself, they're all lies. That's all misdirecting.
And so that's he's opposite of what he's saying. And that's pretty much what it turned out to be, give or take.

**Lisa Bilyeu** (3:51)
There was a case, it may have been D'Angelo, but once you found out who the predator was, you wanted to go and look at the house and their car. What on earth were you looking for in the house and car that would give you any information?

**Paul Holes** (4:09)
I initially found out about Joseph D'Angelo from an email from one of the persons on the genealogy team, this Monica Tchaikowsky, I was at the DA's office. Amazing, amazing researcher and she sends an email about this Auburn cop that popped up, this Joseph D'Angelo while doing this genealogy process. I remember looking at that going, I don't see how a full-time cop could be the golden state killer with the extent of the crimes and everything else. But I eventually start digging into him and things start adding up, circumstances start adding up.