Cosmos: The Linux of Blockchains?

**Sebastien Couture** (0:00)
Welcome to Epicenter. I'm Sebastien Couture, and I'm here today with Michael aka Cryptocito, and Magnus aka Magmar.

**Michael** (0:07)
One of the things that I really want to make sure happens, is that Adam feels connected to the roadmap that we have. It's challenging, right? And I think what we have done is emotionally process to some degree, the difficult position that we were put in, and make sure that we were building the bedrock of a new kind of innovative Cosmos that could expand beyond what we had been holding on to for the past five years.

**Sebastien Couture** (0:37)
All the people that have been in Cosmos for years have been building on Cosmos, and maybe don't feel included in this new vision. Like, why should they care?

**Magnus** (0:44)
The industry is evolving, Cosmos needs to evolve, which is happening. Along the way, maybe some people will leave, some new people will join, but I think finally we have leadership that is also adaptive to where the market is going.

**Sebastien Couture** (1:01)
Welcome to Epicenter, the show which talks about the technologies, projects and people driving decentralization and the global blockchain revolution. I'm Sebastien Couture and I'm here today with Michael aka Cryptocito and Magnus aka Magmar, I guess. I always call you Magmar and people find it funny that I call you Magmar, like not in text form. So yeah, I'll keep calling you Magmar. Before we start the show, here's a little bit of our responses this week. This episode is brought to you by Gnosis, building the open internet one block at a time. Gnosis was founded in 2015 and it's grown from one of Ethereum's earliest projects into a powerful ecosystem for open user-owned finance. Gnosis is also the team behind products that had become core to my business and that of so many others like Safe and Cowswap. At the center is Gnosis Chain. It's a low-fee layer one with zero downtime in seven years and is secured by over 300,000 validators. It's the foundation for real-world financial applications like Gnosis Pay and Circles. All of this is governed by Gnosis DAO, a community-run organization where anyone with a GNO token can vote on updates, fund new projects and even run a validator from home. So if you're building in Web3 or you're just curious about what financial freedom can look like, start exploring gnosis.io. All right, guys. So we're here at Cosmoverse, Cosmoverse 5 in Split, Croatia.
How's it been for you guys in the last few days?

**Magnus** (2:29)
I mean, I feel awful good. For me, it's always months of stress and anxiety and getting into it. But seeing all of you guys here, seeing the crowd, the turnout, it's always nice. So now I'm actually chill. I'm enjoying it and yeah.

**Sebastien Couture** (2:42)
It's like pressures come down, but like first day pressure.

**Magnus** (2:45)
Yeah.

**Sebastien Couture** (2:45)
It's just like, yeah, I feel good.

**Magnus** (2:48)
I'm good. I'm good now.

**Sebastien Couture** (2:49)
You have a right to feel good. I think that you really put on great events here as always.

**Michael** (2:53)
Thank you. So it's a little hard to get to, I will say. No, but it's been really nice. I think it's definitely a different vibe than previous Cosmoverses that I've been to. It's a little bit more, I would say, put together corporate institutional, which I really like and I think is also reflecting sort of where Cosmos is going, where the ecosystem is going.

**Sebastien Couture** (3:13)
Yeah, I think that's one of the things that's perhaps the most striking at this year's Cosmoverse, is just how different it is from every other Cosmoverse that I've been to, which isn't all of them, and just how much of the focus has been on institutions, on bringing institutions and sort of corporates on chain. And there's a real kind of, it feels like a vibe shift in Cosmos, and it's being reflected here, it's reflected also in Cosmos Labs' strategy for Cosmos and the Hub Moving Forward, which we can talk about. But I think one of the things I was thinking about is, Cosmoverse to me feels always like a way to come and check in on the ecosystem. It's like an annual, like, take the pulse. And I wonder, for you guys, what's the main takeaway at this year's Cosmoverse? Like if you kind of plot the five Cosmoverses in your mind, and what each of those events kind of represented as a moment in time, what is this moment in time?

**Michael** (4:10)
Yeah, I just want to shout out, you know, you've done an incredible job putting this on year after year. So, Q, very grateful also that this conference exists and that it's a great way for the entire ecosystem to come together and, you know, get a sense of what's going on. I think, so my first Cosmoverse was Medellin, and then we went to Dubai. I actually wasn't in Dubai.