Civilization Advances When Compassion Becomes Infrastructure

**SPEAKER_1** (0:03)
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**Stephen Sakach** (0:16)
Welcome back to The Bliss Business Podcast. I'm Stephen Sakach here with Tullio Siragusa.
Tullio, we're going to have a fun one today. We're exploring a big idea. So, most of us grew up believing civilization advances because of technology.
We discover fire, we invent the wheel, the printing press, the steam engine, the internet, artificial intelligence. We tend to look at these inventions and say that's progress. But I've been thinking more and more lately whether that's actually true, because technology seems to be able to move civilization in multiple directions at once. The same technology that can connect people can divide people. The same technology that can create abundance, can create concentration of power. The same technology that can democratize information, can flood the world with misinformation. So, maybe technology isn't actually driving civilization. Maybe it's just amplifying something deeper. So, I'm gonna suggest that civilization advances when compassion becomes infrastructure. What do you think Tullio about this topic?

**Tullio Siragusa** (1:34)
Well, I mean, I think technology is often neutral. It doesn't arrive with like a moral compass. So, you can't give credit or responsibility to technology to advance anything. People like to think technology itself creates progress, but I don't think history supports that. Take social media. When it first arrived, everyone thought it would be connecting humanity, be a great tool, right? And it did, but it also amplified outrage and polarization and tribalism. The same technology, completely different outcomes.
Every few years, a new technology arrives. CRM systems, automation, social media, AI, an organization often assume that technology will solve the deeper problems. But if you have a trust problem, AI won't fix that.
If you have a leadership problem, automation won't fix that. If anything, it'll bubble up more dysfunction faster. If you have a cultural problem, software won't fix that either. The technology simply amplifies whatever is already there. That's the key to understand.

**Stephen Sakach** (2:52)
Yeah, I think that kind of the defining tension of our time is that civilization, and I've thought about this a lot, is that civilization is becoming technologically advanced faster than it's becoming psychologically mature, right? And this can get dystopian real fast. And when we talk about civilization, people tend to think of governments shape civilization, and they do, or people think education shapes civilization, and it does. But more and more, too, that business really does shape civilization as well. And business does decide how resources flow, how people spend their time. I mean, we've spent so much time at business during the week, and even the weekends, and people 40, 80 hours more of their lives every week, spending in this environment. So businesses decide what gets rewarded, what gets scales, what doesn't, how resources flow, how...
You can see some leadership in some of these companies, too, that might have really high IQ, but sometimes very low EQ.
And you see how that can play out, and can cause tremendous damage to civilization as well. So businesses become one of the most powerful system design mechanisms in human history, right? People say, money makes the world go round, and we're in the middle of these systems all the time. And most people, like I said, we're spending most of our hours in business systems than any other institution. And that workplace shapes behavior, it shapes incentives, relationships, it shapes how people think success is defined, right? And that's not a small thing. And with all that energy, it's like, what is guiding really what we're, what are we building, you know? What's guiding what we're building? In many ways, every company is kind of this miniature civilization themselves.

**Tullio Siragusa** (4:53)
It is, and it extends out from there into the overall society. In fact, every company has a constitution, whether most leaders realize it or not. And I'm not talking about the employee handbook here. I'm talking about the real rules. What gets rewarded, like you mentioned, or what gets tolerated, or who gets promoted. That's the actual constitution.
Culture is what your system reward. If you say teamwork matters, but only reward individuals' performance, you've designed a civilization that values competition, not collaboration.
And that's why I think leaders often focus on the wrong thing. They ask, how do I get people to behave differently, instead of asking what systems is producing this behavior?

**Stephen Sakach** (5:48)
Yeah. I mean, once you start looking through that lens, you stop blaming individuals as much for everything. You start examining the architecture, the incentives, the power structures, those feedback loops.