CIA Whistleblower: They Can See All Your Messages! I Was Under Surveillance In Pakistan!

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John Kiriakou (0:59)

Billions of dollars are spent spying on Americans, whether it's NSA or CIA or the FBI. And to make matters worse, we know that the CIA can take control remotely of a car's computer system in order to crash the car, take it off a bridge, or take control of your smart TV and turn a speaker into a microphone, even though the TV is off and broadcast back to the CIA.

Steven Bartlett (1:22)

Can they do that with devices?

John Kiriakou (1:23)

Absolutely, and I'll tell you how we know. There was a CIA software engineer who was disgruntled, and he downloaded tens of thousands of documents classified above top secret. And instead of going to the Russians or the Chinese, he went to WikiLeaks, and they became the Vault 7 documents. So our whole lives are out there potentially for someone to use against us. And every country has these capabilities. Listen, I spent 15 years in the CIA. I love this country, but one of the most important things in my life is the issue of ethics, which is why I blew the whistle on the CIA's torture program. Because my superiors kept repeating that torture worked. But besides being illegal, immoral, unethical, it just wasn't true. And I would let them send me to prison again because it was the right thing to do. I mean, we know that they were experimenting on American citizens and spreading diseases in American cities.

Steven Bartlett (2:12)

This is the stuff of movies.

John Kiriakou (2:14)

It is.

Steven Bartlett (2:14)

And because you've been in this world that the average person really has no idea about, I have to ask you, who do you think is the real adversary of the West? What are you most concerned about in the world at the moment? And what about everything that's going on with Trump in Venezuela and Greenland? And then do you think Jeffrey Epstein was a spy?

John Kiriakou (2:29)

Yes.

Steven Bartlett (2:30)

Who do you think he was working for?

John Kiriakou (2:31)

The Israelis.

Steven Bartlett (2:32)

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John Kiriakou, the world knows your name. Why? Why does the world know your name?

John Kiriakou (3:32)

I can give you two answers. One, I'm proud to say that I blew the whistle on the CIA's torture program in a nationally televised interview with ABC News. The second reason is, I blew the whistle a long time ago, and just in the past 18 months, I seem to have hit some sort of YouTube algorithm sweet spot, and all of a sudden, my message is getting out there.

Steven Bartlett (4:03)

And you went to prison for blowing the whistle.

John Kiriakou (4:05)

I did. And I would do it again tomorrow. I really would. You know, I was giving an interview to the BBC the day after I got out of prison. They were the first outlet to ask for an interview, and so I gladly gave it to them. And the interviewer said, kind of perturbedly, you're not showing any remorse or contrition? And I said, no, I'm not remorseful. I'm not contrite. I would do it again. I would let them send me to prison again because it was the right thing to do.