Can We Still Build AI Safely? The White House Thinks So | MOONSHOTS #298
Moonshots with Peter Diamandis
October 2, 2026
The mates sit down with Emad Mostaque to discuss the shifting debate around AI safety, whether we can still “win safely,” the case for AI optimism, Elon Musk’s vision for abundance and universal high income, Anthropic’s reported $2 trillion IPO ambitions, and the White House’s proposed AI accord.
Speakers Peter Diamandis, Salim Ismail, Alexander Wissner-Gross, Emad Mostaque, Dave Blundin, Donald Trump, Dario Amodei, Mark Zuckerberg, Elon Musk
TopicsBusiness
Peter Diamandis (0:00)
The White House signed the Superintelligence Accord. Nearly 20 tech leaders joined the president and speaker Mike Johnson for lunch in the East Room.
Salim Ismail (0:08)
Great that everybody signed, but who can tell them no? What happens if somebody breaks the agreement?
Alexander Wissner-Gross (0:13)
There are really sort of two poles that one can worry about. One is overregulation, and then the other is...
Peter Diamandis (0:21)
Elon laid out his case for abundance. So technology takes whatever was scarce and makes it abundant. That's the basic thesis.
Salim Ismail (0:29)
When the essentials of a good life become affordable and accessible, then you have abundance.
Alexander Wissner-Gross (0:34)
Broad market exposure becomes arguably the easiest path for an entire generation to universal high income.
Peter Diamandis (0:42)
Anthropic has officially filed its S1 to go public. The target valuation for the IPO is 2 trillion.
Emad Mostaque (0:47)
I think that Anthropic right now is a fantastic business. I think they get smashed in two years.
Alexander Wissner-Gross (0:54)
I'm not even sure Anthropic needs high temperature superconductors in order to scale their revenue.
Salim Ismail (1:00)
I think they'll have a very bright future because...
SPEAKER_5 (1:05)
Now that's the Moonshot, ladies and gentlemen. This episode is brought to you by the Abundance Summit and Link Ventures.
Peter Diamandis (1:15)
Welcome to Moonshots, everyone, your number one podcast on all things AI and exponential, your front row seat to the accelerating singularity.
You know, we just finished up the inaugural Moonshots live event and it was awesome. It was a blast to be physically there with all of our listeners, 1500 people in the audience, close to 100,000 people online. Honestly, the energy in the room was pure magic. So much outpouring of optimism and excitement. You know, before we jump into the breaking news, just a huge thank you to everybody who attended and everybody who watched. So, Alex, what was your favorite part of the show?
Alexander Wissner-Gross (1:57)
Oh, I loved the AMA. That was just tremendous fun. An hour-ish of rapid fire, lightning mode, answering everyone's questions. 600 people plus packed into a relatively tiny room.
It was tremendous, tremendous fun.
Peter Diamandis (2:11)
Yeah. And Salim, how about you, pal?
Salim Ismail (2:16)
Echo the Alex thing. I think if we wanted to start a cult, we are well on our way. The collective tissue, the optimism in the room was really literally religious fervor.
You know, 2,000 people got together, 100 to 1,000 people online. Imagining a positive future, we might actually be able to sway and tilt the future, as Alan Kay said, the best way of predicting the future is to create it yourself. And Peter, you think you started creating that future.
Peter Diamandis (2:48)
Yeah, and one of my favorite was one of the FutureVision Xprize writers, producers who presented said something that is so true. He said, you know, if you're driving and you're staring at a pothole in the road, that's where you're going to go.
Right. And so if humanity is, you know, imagining and staring at, you know, P-Doom at 50%, you know, that's where we're going to go. And I think we need to really sway the vision on optimism, right? We ran the Oscars for Optimism there. How about you, Emad? What was your favorite?
Emad Mostaque (3:26)
Well, yeah, I love the Oscars for Optimism. I thought the gift did as the winner of the FutureVision Xprize was just immense as the result of one person working with this amazing technology. And I can't wait for it to be turned into a footage film.
Peter Diamandis (3:41)
We're going to show that clip. My favorite part was my AMA with Captain Kirk, with William Shatner.
That was so fun. I mean, I can't believe...
Emad Mostaque (3:49)
Was he sharp?
Peter Diamandis (3:50)
Yeah, in 95, going strong. I mean, he was part of a, what was it, a rock metal band performance a couple weeks earlier.
Dave Blundin (3:58)
Insane. Iron Maiden.
Peter Diamandis (4:00)
Yeah. That's really, really cool. Yeah, for sure.
Emad Mostaque (4:03)
We've got to reverse them a few years, you know?
Peter Diamandis (4:06)
Yeah.
Alexander Wissner-Gross (4:06)
Put them on top of the list.
Peter Diamandis (4:08)
I love one of the comments we had from subscriber at Sublime Delusion. He said, Thank you, Peter and the Moonshot mates. Moonshot Live was indeed the room. And it was an honor to be in it. In one word, amazing. So as always, our mission here is to help you understand what just happened, what it means for you, your family, your company, and most importantly, keep you optimistic about the abundance-minded future that we're creating, that we're actively creating. The future is not what just happens. It's what we make it to be. Today, we're going to be covering seven breaking stories that occurred in just a single 48-hour window. Everything from America's SI leaders, I got that right, and the entire USAI stack gathered in DC signing a superintelligence accord with Trump to Anthropic filing a $2 trillion IPO, OpenAI shipping more than 20 products at Dev Day, and Starship reaching orbit for the first time.
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